Re: [PyrNet-L] Hip Displasia

[Jack & Charlotte Perry <pyreau@erols.com>]

Liked that story about the breeders, Jean.  One of our first mentors in the
breed used to tell us to find out as much as possible about all the relatives
of a pup.  Her feeling was that you needed to remember that "ugly uncle"
whenever you considered breeding.

Jean, that's terrible that you can't post more often to Pyrnet.  Have never
heard of anyone else having that problem.  We'll have to bug Richard about it.
We had some problems with missing messages until we changed our internet
company.
Charlotte


Pyrstar wrote:

> DancingPyr wrote:
> < If I understand this comment correctly the OFA readings of sibling pups
> within the same litter are more important than the OFA readings of the
> parents or grandparents.
> This was the first time I had heard this perspective and would appreciate
> any comments on the subject.>
>
> This reminded me of a conversation I was in the middle of 8 or 9 years ago.
>    A  breeder was in line behind me at our handling class.   She was
> talking to another breeder in front of me.   She was telling him how upset
> she was that she just found out that 3 of her pups from her last litter (a
> year earlier) were diagnosed dysplastic.   She contacted the other puppy
> owners after hearing of the first case.   Her own female pup was not.   She
> had bred her bitch to a popular stud dog (OFA cleared) that had been
> successfully campaigned that year.   She'd been breeding (blanks) for 25
> years (small scale) and never had hip dysplasia in her lines before.   She
> later decided to spay her pup and explained to the other owners that their
> pups had to be altered too and not bred.   Six months before this she had
> decided to retire her breeding bitch (she was getting near that "too old to
> breed age") and had her spayed.   Her friend had a different breed but was
> telling her about a popular stud dog in his breed that was OFA Excellent
> being bred to bitches OFA Excellent or Good, and that almost 50% of the
> puppies were being diagnosed dyspastic.    A majority of those bitches had
> been bred before and after and had not produced dysplastic puppies.   The
> argument was that the stud dog although OFA'd Excellent had to have a gene
> for dysplasia that he was passing onto his offspring.   And, that obviously
> the breeder standing behind me had used a stud dog similiar to the one the
> breeder in front of me was telling her about.   The breeder in front of me
> said that the stud dog in his breed came from OFA'd parents but that his
> littermate had been diagnosed with dysplasia.   They were lamenting the
> fact that just because the dam and sire of a litter were OFA cleared, it
> would also be beneficial to know more of the littermates of the parents and
> grandparents--which at that time was a difficult thing to do since OFA
> wasn't as widely used at the time.    One breed was in the herding group
> and the other breed was in the working group.   Neither were Pyrs, but I
> never forgot the conversation even though I wasn't part of it.
> Of course, the Pyrnet machine (or whatever it's called) won't let me post
> more that one email in a one or two week period so I will not be able to
> answer any questions if anyone wishes to querie me.    It gets frustrating,
> that's why I hardly ever post on this list.   Richard says the problem is
> at my end with my IP and that he can't fix it for me.  ;-(   I must admit I
> was surprised at his statement because Charlotte told me he was a *genius*
> with these machines and that he could do anything with computers. ;-)
> Jean F-V
> Pyrstar@pathway.net
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