> Not sure in HOE, but I think in DL, you get +\-3 on the first one, +\- 2 > second one & +\- 1 on the third. No, I think getting 3 raises above flat-out success on a 3-round burst would net you a +/-1 on the Hit location chart for one of the rounds. This would be because you used the other raises to hit instead of altering location. Nick Zachariasen Editor Emeritus Trojan Times