Re: [HoE] Veteran's Day [ot]

[Jeffery D Vogan <phelan@eriecoast.com>]

Have I killed anyone? Yes. And my participation in the US invasion of Panama was when it happened. As for your
cowardice... No such thing.. Fear of death is the natural occurrence in humans. Not everyone can face death and
none face it without fear. However you are wrong about freedom. Yours was brought about by solidarity? No..
Yours was brought about by poor soviet economics. Communism was a sham and would have eventually fallen. poland
wasn't worth the cost to them to keep. Same as My Ireland ( My family is Irish before we were Americans) is to
England. But I know enough about Polish history to know that they have bravely stood against many invaders
through the centuries.. The germans over ran them in WW2 but they fought bravely. And it was Polish military
that eventually took Monte Casinno in Italy after American, British, and French units all failed. No matter how
bad the soviets were to the poles the Germans were worse and these Killers are what assured they would not rule
poland forever. Your labeling them as killers shows you have no clue.. Do the soviets murder 6 million people in
the span of a fe w years ( Stalin excepted. He was as bad if not worse than hitler). What do you think the Nazis
would have done to your country if they had won the war? I can tell you... You would probably not be alive to
even discuss this with me.. They murdered 6 million Jews and in their eyes Poles were not much better.. I can
assure you you would have been next.

"Kociak a.k.a. Kitten" wrote:

> At 02:18 PM 11/11/99 -0500, Jeffery D Vogan wrote:
> >You have no clue.... Hope you enjoy your freedom these killers >brought you.
> I'm sorry to say, but these particular killers did not bring about my
> freedom -- lately it was brought about by (so as not to get into any
> details) the Solidarity movement with, fortunately, minimal bloodshed
> (directed against it, not effected by it).  These people were no killers.
> I do happen to write this in Poland -- and it just so happens that the
> killers of WWII, despite their heroism and commitment, failed to bring any
> particular freedom to this country.
> [for those who do not follow Polish history (and why should you?), it fell
> under the Soviet rule after WWII, and trust me, it was not fun --
> especially early on, i.e. 40s and 50s]
> And, supposedly, Poland emerged victorious from WWII -- i.e. it was on the
> winning, Allied side.  Now go and compare it to say, Sweden -- officially
> neutral all the way, collaborating with the Nazis.  No heroic soldiers, no
> heroic war.  The standard of living happens to be a few times higher than
> in Poland.  And yes, generally more freedom as well.  Go figure.
> And you yourself claim to have participated in an invasion -- hardly a
> defense of American freedom.
> As for my having no clue, I agree, I don't.  But do you?
> That is, I'm sorry to get this personal, but have you killed anybody?
> Would you be ready to if a push came to a shove?
> I haven't and I wouldn't.  And I don't happen to be ashamed of my cowardice
> (or lack of testosterone, for that matter).
> [By most standards, though, I am considered male]
>
> Kociak a.k.a. Kitten => kociak@usa.net
> "Luminous beings are we - not this crude matter"
>                                                                                                         Yoda
>
> To unsubscribe, send a message to esquire@gamerz.net with
>         unsubscribe hoe
> as the BODY of the message.  The SUBJECT is ignored.