Re: [HoE] Re: Templar Observation

["Steve Crow" <crow_steve@hotmail.com>]

>Steve wrote:
>
> > Well, I suggested it, so I'm glad we're in agreement.  :) My only 
>concern
> > is...well, he didn't actually get around to doing it.  As such, it seems 
>to
> > me like the Greater Reward deprivation (but with the eventual chance to
> > redeem himself) and the Night Terrors are better, because they're more
> > accurate reflections of what the Saints and the Templar's own 
>subconscious
> > know were in his heart, rather than what he actually, physically did.  
>Does
> > that make sense...?
>
>It sounds like there was a little more information behind the scenes than I 
>was
>aware of. In light of this, here's my _new_ take:
>

well, I can't describe _everything_...  :)

>Since he was apparently involved in the final battle to defeat the 
>monster--whether
>or not he was a "supporter of the plan"--I think he is in line for the 
>reward.
>

He...sorta was.  But at one point he was also actively attacking the PCs 
defending the girl, meaning they had to devote time away from actually 
defeating the Servitor to defend _her_.  The battle may have been over a 
round sooner (and folks might have been left with a few more chips :) ) if 
he hadn't...

>His solution was valid, especially given the fact child had arcane 
>abilities beyond
>that possessed by "normal" innocent children and had used them against the 
>posse.
>

Well, the only problem is that his "solution" wouldn't have solved the 
problem.  However, that may very well have been my fault as a Marshal for 
not conveying that correctly.

Let's just say if there is only way to truly defeat a Servitor, and psyching 
out the girl back to normal was it, then anything else concerning the girl 
would _not_ be successful.

Given the player's lack of understanding of the clues planted earlier in the 
scenario, his actions were reasonable.  They in fact would have destroyed 
the one "key" to defeating the Servitor, however.

>It doesn't sound like he even abandoned the posse (if he was actually 
>fighting the
>thing at the end as opposed to standing aside and catching a little 
>incidental
>damage). If that's so, Servitor mutations aren't even in line. If I 
>understand the
>situation, I'd let him off scott-free. If the rest of the posse has issue, 
>that's
>IC, not rules.
>

It was about 50-50.  There's the whole "attacking the posse to get at the 
girl" issue.

>However, there are a number of interps of the Templars' creed--as evidenced 
>by the
>range of Saints. You've noted St. Stern, but have failed to mention St. 
>Hise or St.
>Gates--both of whom seem nearly opposite in outlook. I understand your 
>point about
>conflicting messages in the SB, but they're intentional. Templars walk a 
>_very_ fine
>line between the heroic sacrifices of St. Hise and St. Gates and the 
>pragmatism of
>St. Stern. Stray too far one way and you die needlessly, stray too far in 
>the other
>and you wind up a callous-hearted servitor.
>

I didn't mention them because the guy doesn't have those as Patron saints 
and isn't expecting to get them any time soon.  As you might imagine from 
what I've described of him...  :)

>As an analogy (the weakest form of argument, BTW <g>), I am conservative in 
>many of
>my political viewpoints--however, I still think Fascism is a BAD THING 
>(tm).
>
>The sacrifice of innocents required for St. Stern's blessing may also push 
>the
>Templar down the road toward the Reckoners as well, unless the character is
>_extremely_ careful, IMHO.
>
>That's my take, for what it's worth,
>

Thanks.  Hope I clarified up a couple of things.

>John Goff

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Steve Crow

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