Re: [BNW] Dissapointments [Matt read if you have the inclination]

["Sidhain" <sidhain@earthlink.net>]

>
>  >  I won't buy another BNW product or another Pinnacle product, I feel >
> I have> been cheated, so therefore the Main book is it for me UNLESS, PEG
> > does one> of three things.
>
>
> Have you ever tried putting out an RPG?  I don't mean as something typed
> up in Word and put on the internet, I mean write something, edit, layout,
> send to the printers, promote at conventions, and demo and sell in
> stores?

Yes I have.

But we had to leave some out.
>  Actually, 96 pages worth, and that's even considering some of the main
> book is printed in 7 point font...
>
> We are selling the book for 19.99.  This, for a 232 page softcover.  For
> BNW, selling at I think $30, a hardcover with color artwork, a complete
> rules system, attractive layout, a detailed history of superpowers, and
> enough super powers and suggestions on how to make your own to keep
> creative people occupied, and everything a creative person needs to run
> many adventures is a pretty good deal, better than most.  Sometimes, you
> can't fit everything into one book, as much as you would like to try,
> even if everything is written at once.  You could, but the book would be
> $70, 300 + pages, and no one would buy it since it was so bulky, and
> maybe had stuff that you didn't want.   There is another supers game
> (Blood of Heroes) out there that is quite large, and supposedly has
> everything in it.  But the artwork and layout is terrible, and the game
> world (as it were) is uninspired.   And they have supplements with new
> powers and such even...


Palladium's Hero Unlimited Revised 2 Edition is over 300 pages and 24.95 it
is paperback true, and not as pretty as BNW, but the current edition does
have quite a bit of nice B&W art.

> You got a high quality game out there, complete on its own in one book,
> unlike other companies that supposedly you can do with one book, but
> *cough cough White Wolf* you need the Guide to This and the Guide to That
> in order to actually use it properly.  I don't know what you want as a
> gamer.  Way it seems, you want to be handed all the elements of the
> stories which can be used or not.  If that's the case, you might as well
> watch a movie, since that is a pre-packaged story for you.
>
> '

True but all the White Wolf Products have the primary rules for the base
character types in the starting book.
The guides expand some of it with Merit's and Flaws but all the superpowers
for the superheroes game is in the first book.
Mind you I don't like White Wolf very much, but at least they do make a
"complete book"

What about those of us that are creative and can make up our
> own packages (I have six new ones already done)?  We have to buy all this
> stuff?  I think not.  :)
>

Rather than by three 20.00+ rulebooks, with 5 packages here and 5 there--yes
it is better to have a small 6.95 book with all the rules (though I'd
preferred they didn't get lazy and leave it out in the first place)

> You ever hear of something called price point?  They could cut the price,
> but then you get a book without art, or hardcovers, or editing.  And
> given enough of this, PEG does not put out as many *quality* books as
> they do, or goes out of business.  And then we are left playing GURPs
> Supers or Blood of Heroes...
>

Gurps makes a hell of a lot of quality books: Gurps Russia among  others
But , I know how much it costs to make a book, I have worked on several,
even some I was financing on my own, and it costs a hell of a lot less than
most game companies want you to think.

> I have no problem playing for quality.  And most other people don't
> either.
>

If it were quality and not half assed I have no problem paying for it
either, but to produce a game that is missing important information  in the
main book--and then charge as much for the supplements as for the main
rulebook is unfair to the consumers, at least the consumers who don't like
being robbed blind.


 > PEG has one of the most comprehensive support systems for their games in
> the industry.  They regularly post scenarios on thier website, errata,
> and they field questions from players.  I just talked with Matt Forbeck
> the other day online.  He took the time to talk with me.  More than some
> game company people do.  Perhaps we've been spoiled by our wonderful
> treatment at the hands of PEG.
>

Yeah and?
I really don't care if they are nice people to my face if they are trying to
cheat me out of my money..
I paid for a complete game and expected a complete game for what I paid, not
Half a game which is what is what the BNW rulebook equates too.