Re: [pyrnet] Pyrs without Dwarf producing ancestors

[dsmith@iolinc.net (Smith, Deborah)]

    I agree, we should all pull together and not label anyone.  But we
should also make it clear that if a dwarf or any other problem occurs, not
one but both parents are carriers for whatever has popped up.

Chrissy

> Hello All,
> Being new to the list please forgive me borowing from your email
Mr.Gentzel.
> Having dealt with Dwarfism among our Beagles (my first breed) for over 25
> years, I know how difficult it was when we first turned up the problem.
As
> in Pyrs no one talked about it.  But the Beagle fraternity being as close
a
> family as they are, elected to pull together and resolve the problem.
There
> could be no witch hunt among us because 6 of the top producing sires (some
> over 100 champions each) have produced dwarfs. Used this often,trust me it
> is/was in every kennel, in every line some place or another.  And it just
> means the right two individuals combined may surface the problem again.
What
> everyone needs to get past is this:
>
>  #1  Every single living organism on this planet carries at least minimum
of
> 5 lethal or bad genes for SOME kind of problem, therefore no one should
sling
> any mud at anyone else.
>  #2 No one is immune to this. There is no dog, animal rat or whatever who
is
> perfect, they all produce something.  Being a truly good breeder means
> sharing the information that will help the breed avoid any pitfalls you
> yourself have run up against.   Maybe that is not the popular hide in the
> closet trend some subscribe to, but if you truly love this wonderful breed
> your rule of thumb should be "Do no intentional harm to the breed you
love".
>  No I don't think one dwarf puppy would be the end of the breed, and it
> certainly hasn't been in our little hounds either.  But with everyone
pulling
> together, (the incidence in this breed is much lower than in our hounds),
I
> think we could get through it much faster.
>
> No I've never had a dwarf Pyr, but I can certainly understand the shock
and
> upset a breeder has on finding a dwarf among their new litter.   I
recently
> produced a dwarf beagle puppy after 12 years without one.  Again I know
its
> in back of our top producers and have always figured my risk going in to
any
> breeding.  BUT, I was not prepared to get one using a foreign bred dog as
an
> outcross line, and have it turn up again.  Well again this country of
> breeders (who shall remain nameless) we are informed have them all the
time,
> not one breeder in the background of this dog came forward to say that the
> dog they exported to the states had a high probability of passing on
dwarfism
> along with numerous wonderful breed attributes.  A shame indeed, to find
out
> 3 years down the road, when everyone has been breeding to him.
> This was especially surprising since I checked him out pretty carefully,
and
> could not get one word from anyone that he had produced any kind of
problem.
> The damage has been done, but after the cat is out of the bag so to speak.
> This is going to take a bit of test breeding now to get past this again.
Not
> every puppy will carry the gene thats for sure. And he produced some
really
> gorgeous sound pups otherwise.  And no I don't think he should be thrown
out
> or anything decended from him entirely.  That is not the answer, and it
won't
> be the answer in pyrs either.  But we are all working hard to figure out
> which dogs can be incorporated at this point, and which can not be.  This
can
> only happen with shared information.
>
> And so I ask the fancy at large, can a list of dwarf producers be shared
with
> me so that I can breed intelligently.   At this point I have no idea how
much
> of this is in the background of my dogs.   I may be new to Pyrs, but that
> does not mean I want to breed them any less carefully than I breed my
> Beagles.  Knowledge is prevention.
>
> I would appreciate anyones help in filling in the blanks for me.
>
> Sincerely
> Sharon Hodgdon
> Sovreign Pyrs
>
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