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As for the overly high TNs: In my group
we have solved this by eliminating the target's fightin' aptitude from the TN
calculation. We found that, with skilled opponents, hand to hand combat
often drags on forever, even before tossing in penalties from darkness, pain,
fear, etc. We were also concerned about skilled combatants being
effectively immune to melee attacks from lesser opponents. For
example: a fight with Modeen (all by his lonesome) vs. the entire
posse went on for hours real time. It consisted almost entirely
Modeen and the Templar taking turns
missing. Furthermore, the posse's Templar was the only one who could even
participate since the other posse members had no effective ranged attacks,
and their attempts at melee were a joke.
So far, I like my system since it makes hand
to hand more like shooting. That is, the TN for both will usually be in
the 5-ish range and, instead of adding range and range increment, you
have the defensive bonus of the weapon. With these rules I have found hand
to hand combat to be faster and more brutal since many more attacks
land. While it is a big change to the combat system, I feel it is
still fair since it works equally for both the posse and the villains. It
does make being fast somewhat more powerful. That's because more
swings will land, so people will die sooner, so there will be fewer swings
total during any particular combat, so getting your swings in early helps a
little more than it did under the old system. It also makes swarms of
muties with knives more threatening than they were before. Finally, while
people are easier to hit in general, skilled opponents are still harder to
hit than unskilled. This is because skilled fighters can use their
superior rolls when vamoosin'
As for darkness: I think the difficulty of shooting
someone in the dark is comparable to the difficulty of punching someone in the
dark, assuming you are shooting at point blank range. Of course shooting
someone in pitch black at 100 yards is a different matter. If you want a
house rule to represent this, the first thing that comes to mind is multiplying
the darkness penalty with the range penalty. That way in low light
conditions it would be -2, or -4, or whatever, per range increment rather than
just the usual -1. That way long range shots in the dark quickly
become impossible, but up close and personal fighting remains largely
unchanged.
-Scott Pedersen
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 1:07
PM
Subject: RE: [HOE] Fightin'
Questions
The first would end
in a wash, but we were wondering cause sometimes it makes the TN so high that
the fight would last for an hour without either hitting each other. Plus we were trying to figure out how
it would have an effect on hand to hand cause we think that if you are that
close then the modifier would be different. After all it is easier to punch someone
in the dark than it is to shoot someone.
-----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-hoe@gamerz.net [mailto:owner-hoe@gamerz.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Wheeler
Sent: Tuesday, March 04,
2003 7:28
AM
To: hoe@gamerz.net
Subject: Re: [HOE] Fightin'
Questions
1.) Does it matter. Since both
combatants have the same penalty it is usually a
wash.
2.) This just came up in my game.
I ruled no and because that is what a sleeve card is for. The rule given in
Waste Warriors for a shooter backing out of melee, was meant for just that and
nothing else in my opinion.
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Tuesday, March 04,
2003 4:45
AM
Subject: [HOE]
Fightin' Questions
1. In Low light / darkness
situations should the same modifiers be used for melee as for range or
should the be ignored or halved?
Any suggestions. We just
decided to halve it but I wanted to know if there were any rulings on
this.
2. For melee attacks, if someone is
backing away should the rules for firearms in melee (Kung Fu in Waste
Warriors) be used to determine if the other party gets an attack of
opportunity even if no firearms are involved?
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