Re: [HOE] Long time lurker sharing position

["doyle erin west" <westfam@the-i.net>]

hehe  I already spend more money than i have on them.  and one of these days
my mom's going to figure out that everytime her cash comes up light, i end
up with more orange and green on my game shelf.  I'll support PEG everyway i
can.  Hell, i've even gotten a whole group of new gamers to buy HOE.  and
i've heard complaints about Cybergames from EVERY list i'm on even remotely
associated with it (i'm a FUZION player too.)  Mostly about thier customer
service, or lack thereof (responses to the failed links aside).  Mind, i
have had no complaints about them, but i've also had no contact with any of
them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Metzner" <manitoujoe@yahoo.com>
To: <hoe@gamerz.net>; <deadlands@gamerz.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [HOE] Long time lurker sharing position


> --- "twilight@vbe.com" <twilight@vbe.com> wrote:
> > A lot of list members are blaming cybergames.com for
> > the current malaise
> > (book delays, etc.), unfortunately, I can't really
> > blame this company.
> > If it is anyone we ought to be angry at, it's
> > Pinnacle Entertainment
> > Group for selling out.
>
> I've been on this list since HOE first came out. And
> DL long before that. I've made some pretty good
> friends both at Pinnacle and with others on the list.
>
> I think I can say with some confidence that this post
> is so far off base that I'm actually getting angry
> reading it. I think John and Dave have responded much
> nicer than I would have, so I'll table what I really
> would love to say and say this instead:
>
> Bottom line: Shane is a good guy and one who has been
> forthright, honest, and bluntly decent to you and
> everyone else on this list since day one. And to call
> him a sellout is nothing more than an insult and an
> embarassment to yourself.
>
> From the beginning, PEG's webpage has always carried
> free errata, adventures, new rules, ideas, whatever.
> And they updated it regularly, as much as they humanly
> could. Shane and John Goff and John Hopler, and other
> writers of the DL universe like Steve Long and
> Christopher McGlothlin have been encouraged to post
> errata on this listserv, answer questions, and
> generally make this list feel like a home.
>
> And they have. For years. For free. And don't give me
> the cost of doing business crap, because Wizards and
> some of the other big names out there don't do it like
> PEG has. And with a small company like Pinnacle, every
> moment spent on the list or on the website is a moment
> not working on a book that needs to go out the door.
>
> Shane and Co. have been open about every decision
> within human reason, even at the risk of looking bad.
> Which has happened. Sometimes it was their goof, and
> they owned up to it, sometimes it wasn't but they
> never pointed a single finger in blame. Shane took it
> and went on.
>
> So, yeah, when you say PEG sold out, I think you
> should understand why some of us are upset. I'm upset
> that we've lost some of the best writers and designers
> housed under one roof. Period. And more than that,
> they are good, decent people. They love Deadlands and
> want to give you their best and   keeping DL alive
> meant being where we are now.
>
> We've lost some damn good people. Goff, who is one of
> the most straightforward, generous guys I've ever
> known. Hopler, who is a fantastic writer and a very
> talented designer in hiw own right (look at Last
> Crusade sometime). Lee Bansen, apparently, which
> really hits hard, not only because he is a good friend
> of mine, but he is the one of the best businessman
> I've seen in this industry BAR NONE. Hell, the list
> goes on.
>
> But, Shane. Shane is no "sell out" and neither is
> Pinnacle. Shane's taken on more than any of us know
> just to make sure that this train keeps running. But
> you can't get blood from a stone. So, we cope.
>
> But to call PEG sellouts. uh-uh. I think everybody
> here that still stands by Shane ESPECIALLY in this
> time in the company's life better make your damn
> voices known.
>
> I want to see people stand up for Shane here. If
> you'll stand by Shane and PEG, make some noise. Even
> if you've lurked for days or months or years, I want
> to see your posts. Shane's done right by us, so do
> right by him.
>
> Shane, as long as your name is associated with
> Deadlands, HOE, Lost Colony, whatever, I will buy the
> books, minis, etc. Period.
>
> Seeya,
> Mark Metzner
>
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