Re: [HOE] Faith and Protection

["doyle erin west" <westfam@the-i.net>]

Yes, but Belief is a strange thing, and as faith is wholly made up of
Belief, if you BELIEVE someone is a saint, and that they died for a cause
(or what ever) you believe in, then your actual religion don't really enter
into it.

basically, coming back to the original post (which I can't find) it comes
down to a Marshal's call.  Are the beliefs in the cause/saints/whatever
strong enough to warrant a Protection miracle, and would it apply?  I don't
think the Convoy example given would, but the librarians might.  Templars, i
think, have enough help.
----- Original Message -----
From: <gvan@ispchannel.com>
To: <hoe@gamerz.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 12:03 AM
Subject: RE: [HOE] Faith and Protection


>
> > this I realize.  my dad was one, but I haven't followed in his
footsteps.
> > BUT, as most Masons are Christians of one denomination or another, how
can
> > Christianity Exclude THEIR saints???
>
> Heh, I AM a Mason :) And most Masons are Christians, though there are also
Jewish, Muslim, and even a few Hindu members. The tricky thing is that
Freemasonry (and the related fraternal organizations) are not in any way
religions or even "religious" organizations. Sure, there is some
non-denominational prayer, but you see the same from the Boy Scouts and the
United States Congress. The hanging point is the ritual and the degree of
secrecy that surrounds those rituals. Certain people of high esteem in
various Christian churches (Roman Catholics about 100 years ago, Southern
Baptists more recently) have felt that Freemasonry is incompatible with
Christianity because A) they just misunderstand the purpose and intent of
those rituals and B) some people think that ANY ritual of any sort that
isn't performed in strict accordance with their belief system is unholy :)
This includes roleplaying, by the by..
>
> I ramble on tangents (one of my best skills!), but basically Christianity
in a broad sense (Catholicism more specifically) can reject the Templar
saints because, while they were martyred for noble causes, they did not die
for specifically Christian causes. And as far as Catholics go, you ain't a
saint unless they say you are :)
>
> Grant Vanderhule
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