> dont worry about the boxes i can't load the page at all > i just get a blank page with the following url > http://www.geocities.com/tammer12/hoe.html Works for me, even with javascript off. (I'm a fanatic about that, for professional reasons.) Maybe you're using a frames-resistant browser? I wouldn't have thought there were any such in use at this late date, but it used to be a common snag.