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RE: [DL] Thoughts on Old Pete {Spoilers} lets not get fired up
Thanks for the understanding. Please, I'm not trying to start a flame war. I
have found a solution to my problem (treat sone as a 30th level character
and give him some legendary combat feats as per D&D). This may not work for
everyone. As I was rereading Book of the Dead I also realized that the few
stats they give Stone are just general guidelines and not firm law. The
Marshal is law. I want to put out the flames I may have strted with this
thread. I was not intending to libel anyone, thrash D20(if I did not like
D20, would I have run my game up to 16th level?), or start a flame war. I
was simply trying to disguss what happened in my game, offer my opinion as
to how I thought it should have been (I should have used more disgression in
my wording and I am sorry), and get feedback as to what others thought. At
first I thought it was a good debate, but I think I stepped on some fingers
and toes. I was inconsiderate, and I am sorry.
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Wisnes [mailto:frank.wisnes@student.uib.no]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 7:29
To: deadlands@gamerz.net
Subject: RE: [DL] Thoughts on Old Pete {Spoilers}
Sitat Kevin L Stoner <stone1kl@cmich.edu>:
>
> But killing off Stone... *mumbles*
> And I thought I disliked the D20 version before this
> thread....
>
>
> - Frank -
>
>
>
>
> Actually the D20 version of way of the dead does not stat
> Stone and I am surprised at your lack of respect in assuming
> that Mr. Jandt(a very fine author indeed) would just throw
> some stats on him so people could kill him. The only thing
> that is offered is a rough rundown of his to hit and damage
> rolls and an idea about his AC, and that he has all harrowed
> powers. This in no way should be demeaning to you or any of
> the anti-d20 coalition. If this marshal statted Stone then he
> did so on his own, all Way of the Dead did was tell you how
> much Stone can mess up your party. Please in the future do
> check your sources before you blame an entire system for your
> unhappiness with a thread.
>
> Marshal Kevin Stoner
No, it don't stat Stone. I knew that. That was not my point either, and
neither
did I said that the author statted him, nor did I say anything against the
book
in which the rough stats was detailed (which I guess is about the same as
the
one given in marshalls handbook). My point was that the system stat just
about
eveything you can stat, so a marshal has little choice but to stat him if
the
posse want to have a go at him. Who can blame them.. their so powerfull at
level 16 few people (and things) can touch them. Few players would be happy
with just being killed off without a fight when the system they use don't
allow
for that to happen. Following the system, they know that each person has a
certain ammount of hit points, that the maximum AC one can possibly have is
this and that, and thus be able to calculate just how much firepower they
will
need to take down someone no matter how good they are (hey, we shot him for
1000 points of damage, he should be dead unless your cheating!). Killing a
high
level character following the d20 system is unrealistically hard, so I'm not
suprised at all that Stone didn't manage to kill them being the level they
where. When it's one against 8 at roughly the same level, it should be
possible
to take down just about anyone who's following the normal rules. The d20
system
as I know it don't allow for people to be above the rules (many other
systems
are more flexible there), they limit the GM as much as the player. In fear
of
something being to powerfull, they stat everything to avoid abuse by
players.
This is btw my *personal* experience with how I percive the d20 system to
be,
some people might have a different view on it, fine, it's a subjective
thing.
Sometimes.. just take a comment for comment and leave it at that.
- Frank -
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