[DL] calm down... (was: Thoughts on Old Pete)

[<markus.finster@chello.at>]

Just before another flame war is erupting over D20 and whatnot - please stay cool about this issue. The virtues and flaws of D20 have been discussed over and over again and all the pro's and con's have been brought up.

Maybe I'm reading to much into the direction this thread is going, but I'm already smelling some smoke here... ;-)

Markus 
 
> Von: Frank Wisnes <frank.wisnes@student.uib.no>
> Datum: 2003/04/14 Mo PM 04:29:05 GMT+02:00
> An: deadlands@gamerz.net
> Betreff: RE: [DL] Thoughts on Old Pete {Spoilers}
> 
> Sitat Kevin L Stoner <stone1kl@cmich.edu>:
> 
> > 
> > But killing off Stone... *mumbles*
> > And I thought I disliked the D20 version before this 
> > thread....
> > 
> > 
> > - Frank - 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Actually the D20 version of way of the dead does not stat 
> > Stone and I am surprised at your lack of respect in assuming 
> > that Mr. Jandt(a very fine author indeed) would just throw 
> > some stats on him so people could kill him. The only thing 
> > that is offered is a rough rundown of his to hit and damage 
> > rolls and an idea about his AC, and that he has all harrowed 
> > powers. This in no way should be demeaning to you or any of 
> > the anti-d20 coalition. If this marshal statted Stone then he 
> > did so on his own, all Way of the Dead did was tell you how 
> > much Stone can mess up your party. Please in the future do 
> > check your sources before you blame an entire system for your 
> > unhappiness with a thread.
> > 
> > Marshal Kevin Stoner
> 
> 
> No, it don't stat Stone. I knew that. That was not my point either, and neither 
> did I said that the author statted him, nor did I say anything against the book 
> in which the rough stats was detailed (which I guess is about the same as the 
> one given in marshalls handbook). My point was that the system stat just about 
> eveything you can stat, so a marshal has little choice but to stat him if the 
> posse want to have a go at him. Who can blame them.. their so powerfull at 
> level 16 few people (and things) can touch them. Few players would be happy 
> with just being killed off without a fight when the system they use don't allow 
> for that to happen. Following the system, they know that each person has a 
> certain ammount of hit points, that the maximum AC one can possibly have is 
> this and that, and thus be able to calculate just how much firepower they will 
> need to take down someone no matter how good they are (hey, we shot him for 
> 1000 points of damage, he should be dead unless your cheating!). Killing a high 
> level character following the d20 system is unrealistically hard, so I'm not 
> suprised at all that Stone didn't manage to kill them being the level they 
> where. When it's one against 8 at roughly the same level, it should be possible 
> to take down just about anyone who's following the normal rules. The d20 system 
> as I know it don't allow for people to be above the rules (many other systems 
> are more flexible there), they limit the GM as much as the player. In fear of 
> something being to powerfull, they stat everything to avoid abuse by players. 
> This is btw my *personal* experience with how I percive the d20 system to be, 
> some people might have a different view on it, fine, it's a subjective thing. 
> 
> 
> Sometimes.. just take a comment for comment and leave it at that.
> 
> 
> 
> - Frank -
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