Re: [DL] Gettting a player dead

[Fleegmanguy@aol.com]

Dans un courrier daté du 21/04/02 20:21:44 Paris, Madrid (heure d'été), 
johntfs1@yahoo.com a écrit :

> >>Oh yeah? An apocryph gospel mentions the Apostles looking at a farmer 
>  working while the sabbat. Of course, they pointed him to Jesus, claiming 
how 
> 
>  great a sin it was. And Jesus said (of course i dont have the exact quote, 
>  but that's the spirit) "If he knows what he's doing, he's in no danger. If 
> he 
>  doesn't know, he's lost."<<
>  
>  One: By your own admission, it's an Apochyphal (ie, not accepted as 
Biblical 
> canon) gospel.  Two: Within the canonized gospel, the Pharisees criticize 
> Jesus for healing (and thus working) on the Sabbath and are rebuked.  
Three: 
> Deadlands ain't a theology course.  It's a GAME.  With rules.  That must be 
> fair within the spirit of the game.
    One: not accepted as canon, but apen to study
    Two: Exactly my point. i do think that He knew what He was doing.
    Three: I agree 100%. Just thought i could say a little more than "it's 
not my point of view" and explain why. i don't usually roll dice when 
discussing spiritual matters. Neither do i call for penitence while gaming.

>  
>  >>So, God won't care if your Blessed sincerely (or else) thought the 
humans 
>  were monsters. That is petty excuses for miscreants. Your Blessed was to 
> KNOW 
>  they were human.<<
>  
>  Sorry, but no.  The Blessed are the servants of God (or Whatever).  They 
> aren't gods themselves (however self-righteous some of them might seem).  "
> God" understands the difference between a sin and a mistake based on 
> inaccurate information.  A Sin is a deliberate or thoughtless violation of 
> the tenets of a Blessed's faith.  An honest mistake is not.
    That is where we disagree. But well, since we'll NEVER, EVER be marshalls 
together, it's not just a great issue.
    And by the way, i fail to see why knowing the monsters were in fact 
disguised humans would require to be a God. Isn't some investigation welcome 
before shootin' everything around?
  
>  A "real life" example: A co-worker of yours, Janine, is leaving and you 
> notice that she's forgotten her newly filled prescription medication.  You 
> grab it and get it to her before she leaves.  Later on, Janine takes them 
and 
> dies (there pharmacy folks messed up and gave her something else).  Do you 
go 
> to jail murder?  After all, you're the one who gave her the pills.  Was it 
> your responsibility to do a chemical analysis of the pills to make certain 
> that they were what it said they were on the bottle?  No, it wasn't.  Sure, 
> you might feel bad about the situation, but you didn't actually break the 
law.
>   
    I didn't break the law. However, in taht case, i do think a little chat 
with Him would be necessary.
  
>  Same deal with the Blessed.  The rules they follow might be stricter than 
> those followed by others in the game, but breaking them still requires 
> knowledge and intent.
    If that was so simple, I think there would be more Blessed.
    But the point isn't to prove oneself (you or me) right. As far as DL is 
concerned, we're probably both right. I just gave my point of view as a 
possible help. Anyone who doesn't agree is welcome to throw it into Trash. As 
you said, it's just a game.

>  
>  Who said Blessed was an easy job ?((bad) pun intended)
>  
>  > 
>  > >From: "Ben Rasmussen" 
>  > >Reply-To: deadlands@gamerz.net
>  > >To: 
>  > >Subject: [DL] Gettting a player dead
>  > >Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:10:59 -0500
>  > >
>  > >With all this talk of how easy it is to kill PC's maybe someone can 
give 
>  me
>  > >a few ideas. I've got this blessed monster hunter that I just can't 
find 
> a
>  > >good way to challenge or spook.
>  > >
>  > >His 5d12 faith, protection, refuge of faith, smite, wrath, spiritual
>  > >backhand, and consecrate armement blessed powers make him live up to 
that
>  > >monster hunter label. But I need to knock gods chosen one down a notch 
or
>  > >two.
>  > >
>  > >Over three sessions, I've been watching him like a hawk and he has yet 
to
>  > >step outside the tenents of his faith (Catholic). I'm waiting for the 
> slip
>  > >up, but I doubt it's coming any time soon.
>  > >
>  > >So far, I'm planning on using a few normal mortal folks for antagonists,
>  > >seeing as he wouldn't have as large of an advantage over them since he 
>  > >can't
>  > >just kill them.
>  > >
>  > >Also working on trying to engineer a situation or two where he leads to 
>  the
>  > >death of others, maybe eliminate that blessed edge for a little bit. 
>  > >Nothing
>  > >like a crisis of faith and all that. But he's very observent, and I 
can't
>  > >come up with a good trap yet...
>  > >
>  > >And well, there's always TNT, the devils own equalizer. But while it'll
>  > >probably only take one encounter like this, I don't want to over use it.
>  > >
>  > >Any good suggestions for supernatural beasties I could menance him 
with? 
>  > >Any
>  > >nasty tricks for handling blessed?
>  > >Anything I'm over looking and could use to really screw him? Help a 
>  > >Marshall
>  > >out here!
>  > >
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