Re: [DL] Re: Wound Ballistics

["Jeff Yates" <jyates@primaryfunction.com>]

The .45 is gaining popularity in handgun design.  H&K have developed a new
combat handgun using all the cool new polymers and stuff, and it's being
adopted by military/law enforcement both here in the States and in Europe.
Among other manufacturers.  Several law enforcement agencies in the states
are switching back to .45 from 9mm too.  The .45 has more stopping power
than the 9mm.  The increase in popularity of the 10mm and .40 is partially
because they are a compromise between the 9mm's magazine capacity and the
.45's stopping power.

That said, I'd have to agree with the post by El Guapo -- I'd rather not get
shot at all!

Jeff Y.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Connot" <glennconnot@hotmail.com>
To: <deadlands@gamerz.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [DL] Re: Wound Ballistics


> Daniel,
> >Fifth, .45 ACP is considered essentialy obsolete,
> I will grudgingly give you the other four, but this I can't agree with.
The
> .45 is very popular here in the States and I would have to say, having
shot
> both, that I prefer the .45  If not for accuracy, clip size, or
availability
> (which isn't an issue here), then for pure stopping power.  A .45 is a
> monster of a hand cannon compared to a 9mm.  The general fad of creating
> smaller-caliber guns has already affected the Colt line, however, hence
the
> introduction of the Defender .45.
>
> But given the choice, though, I would rather have a .45, and many other
> shooters would, too.
>
> Glenn
> ps. How is a caliber size considered obsolete?  Gun designer "re-discover"
> bullet sizes all the time (e.g. the .50 caliber)
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>
> >From: "Daniel Gwyn" <dgwyn@colba.net>
> >Reply-To: deadlands@gamerz.net
> >To: <deadlands@gamerz.net>
> >Subject: Re: [DL] Re: Wound Ballistics
> >Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:23:32 -0500
> >
> > >There was a good examination of police shootings a
> > >while back that definitly came out in favour of
> > >diameter over area ie. the .45 is better than the
> > >wonder nines but I wonder how much the user mattered.
> > >
> >     The real advantage of wonder nines over .45's is five fold.  Three
of
> >them have to do with physics and two with the commonality of 9mm ammo.
> >First, the 9mm Parabellum cartridge being lower powered, makes it easier
> >for
> >the average schmuck to hit using it.  Second, the muzzle velocity of 9mm
is
> >higher giving a flatter tragectory which again makes it easier for the
> >average shmuck to hit at a distance.  Third, you can stuff more 9mm
rounds
> >into a pistol of a given size, which in turn means the average schmuck
has
> >that many more chances of hitting you.  Remember Firepower equals round
on
> >target, not rounds fired.
> >     Fourth, outside of the States, .45 calibre bullets are relatively
> >rare,
> >but 9mm is pretty much the standard pistol round hence easier access to
> >ammo.  Fifth, .45 ACP is considered essentialy obsolete, so no makes much
> >of
> >an effort to design new guns for it.  Instead they design guns for 9mm
and
> >sometimes convert them to .45 (viz the Glock series.)  Hence it is easier
> >to
> >get good 9mm guns and ammo, than it is for .45's.
> >           Daniel Gwyn
> >"No matter what you've lost, be it a home, a love, a friend
> >Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!"
> From "The Mary Ellen Carter" by Stan Rogers (1949-1983)
> >
> >
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