>I'd call that a TN 3 to open. With a 2d4 in strength, that's a 50/50 >shot to open it. It's *actually* a 75% chance of success ;) Patrick "Math is good food" Phalen Doh! I had meant to say 75%. . . ------------------- Allan Seyberth darious@darious.com Deadlands fan site - http://www.darious.com/deadlands/index.html Why did the chicken cross the road? V'Ger: To join with the Creator.