Re: [BNW] Bargainer/Goliath

[Spacedog <spacedog2@xoommail.com>]

"Steve Crow" wrote:
 > >Steve Crow wrote:
 > >
 > > > >Has anyone else ever thought about how 
powerful a Bargainer with the 
 > >Delta
 > > > >Totem [Goliath] would be?
 > > > >Think about it, he's have all the powers 
of a goliath available, but 
 > >could
 > > > >turn them off any time that being 
big,ugly and obvious wasn't convient.
 > > > >Sure there are some problems (a bargainer 
probably wouldn't have the 
 > >5d6
 > > > >str, needing more spirit). But you could 
still make a good character.
 > > > >
 > > >
 > > > The main problem seems to be is that if 
the enlarged Bargainer takes any
 > > > wounds as a Goliath, he's pretty 
much "stuck" in that form.  Since the
 > > > wounds theoretically become much more 
dangerous if he reverts back to 
 > >his
 > > > normal Size 5.
 > > >
 > > > I tried to address that issue with 
the "Giant" power at my web site.
 > > > Unfortunately, it requires a bit more 
paperwork.  Although the simplest 
 > >way,
 > > > rather than to track the original damage, 
is simply to reconvert it.  So 
 > >if
 > > > they have 3 Wounds on their torso as a 
Size 7 Goliath, and then revert 
 > >to
 > > > Size 5, they gain an additional wound (3 * 
7 = 21 points of damage.  
 > >Divide
 > > > by the new Size of 5 to find new Wounds).
 > > >
 > >
 > >not, really, because the damage has already 
been taken.... the wounds would 
 > >stay
 > >proportional to the Barginer's body.... Like 
a Shrinker

I think the problem would be you are the 
bargainer/goliath and have 7 wounds. You 
deactivate the totem and you still have 7 wounds 
then you just could die.

 > 
 > My citing of such a rule was based on the use 
of a similar "growth" ability 
 > (and the shifting of wounds accordingly) for 
the Covenant ability 
 > (specifically pages 121-122).  I think Theo 
noted this.
 > 
 > Theo also noted that a Bargainer not gaining 
more wounds might be based on 
 > physics rather than "magic."  That doesn't 
make sense for two reasons:  A) A 
 > Bargainer imitating growth _is_ "magic," and 
B) Magic would be _less_ likely 
 > to obey the laws of physics (which seems to be 
the argument for why 
 > Bargainers don't gain more wounds when their 
Size readjusts to their smaller 
 > norm).

They shouldn't gain more wounds when readjusting 
but as their strength decreases they should be 
able to take less wounds.
 
 > Granted, there is nothing officially stated 
for either a Bargainer/Goliath, 
 > or for a Shrinker (as Theo also noted).  
However, based on rules precedent 
 > to date, I would say that the rules argue for 
such an interpretation as I 
 > originally cited.  Guides, of course, can do 
whatever they want regardless 
 > of what the rules, Matt Forbeck, or anyone on 
here might say.  But we were 
 > discussing the rules, right?

Size change should not affect previously taken 
wounds.


Spacedog

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