Re: [WW] Egyptian Campaign adventure Help!!!!!

["Eric Thorson" <ericthorson@hotmail.com>]

I dont really want to be a bummer here but besides the vampire your 
adventure sounds "exactly" like Kellys Heros, instead of just loosely based 
as you implied.  Now if that is what you were going for that is fine, my 
only concern as a fellow gamer and DM is are your players who have actually 
seen Kellys Heros going to find this adventure boring? Are they going to 
know exactly whats going to happen next..at least for the most part?  If its 
done right it can be enjoyable and fun, but sometimes when you copy a movies 
plot almost exactly as you had the players might think it is a bit lame.

Take for example your minefield scene.  If a player had seen Kellys Heros 
they would know that as very soon after they enter that minefield a German 
Patrol is going to come along, especially if the have already seen similar 
scenes in this adventure similar to Kellys Heros and have figured it out.  
(half-track destroyed by a airborne attack....attacking a bank defended by 
40 troops and 3 tiger tanks?)

I am not trying to disuade you at all from you adventure here, just trying 
to give you an opinion from a outside source thats all.

Now on to the mechanics of the game.  I have been playing and GMing Weird 
Wars ever since Gen-Con.  I have run a very successful campaign and I am 
very familiar with the rules.  As far as your question about combat is 
concerned compared to D&D well it is about the same with sime minor 
differences.  Obvisously if your using minis combat takes longer.  Weapon 
damage does a lot more damage in WW but often times your fighting more 
troops then you do in D&D, and since AC in WW is so low you often have to 
figure out bonuses for lying prone or partial cover or automatic fire and so 
forth.  In my experience if the PC's are fighting foes of general relative 
strength to their own then combat goes faster then it does in D&D, but if 
they are fighting mass numbers of 1st level German grunts then your combat 
is going to take a long time (um you might want to reconsider having 4-6 
players taking on 40 troops)

Another thing you sound like your going to have to worry about is PV 
(penetration value) especially if your dealing with numerous tanks and 
vechiles.  This too can slow down combat if your not familiar with the 
process.  If your an expereinced D&D DM but havent done much with WW then 
you might want to be careful with damage in combat.  One suprise I have made 
and have seen others make is not realizing how lethal combat is in WW, add 
that to the limited healing capabilities of the PC's and you could wind up 
with a group of dead PC's after only one simple encounter.

My advise to you when planning an adventure is to always error on making an 
encounter easy.  Its a lot simpler to add a few extra bad guys who all of a 
sudden pop up from hiding to harass the PC's, then it is to try to let the 
PC's win a encounter where they are outnumbered 4 to 1.

Well I think I have rambled on enough here.  Like I said earlier I hope I 
dont disuade you from your adventure, I just had some concerns thats all.  
And good luck with your game.

-Eric


>From: "Bobby Farris" <BJ@redbow.net>
>Reply-To: weirdwars@gamerz.net
>To: "Wierd Wars" <weirdwars@gamerz.net>
>Subject: [WW]  Egyptian Campaign adventure Help!!!!!
>Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:05:28 -0600
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>Hi everyone.
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>	If you are attending Egyptian Campaign Convention in Carbondale
>you are warned that the information below is ***SPOILER*** If that isn't
>use PLEASE read below and comment.
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>	Okay, so here I am a big fan of Weird Wars and I have agreed to
>run an adventure at a convention. (I have ran many adventures at
>conventions so this is not strange to me.)
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>	I have had an active 3e campaign pretty much since 3e came out
>so I am confident of my knowledge of D20 rules. What has me worried is
>that I haven't had a chance to really play Weird Wars. I have set down
>with the rules and studied them, but sometimes that isn't the same as
>playing.
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>	For those of you that have played what have been the surprises
>you have found in actually playing the game? Also, I am wondering how
>long combat takes. Does it run quicker in the WW setting or longer than
>the D&D setting?
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>	For those of you that want to know about my adventure here is
>what I have.
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>Title:  "Oh Yeah! You and what Army?"
>Blurb: Your squad has been fighting since Omaha Beach and is looking
>forward to some much needed R&R. A mysterious Captain appears and tells
>you he has a mission to go 30 miles behind enemy lines with minimal
>support. "You and what army," you ask only to find out that your squad
>is the army.
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>	The whole idea of this adventure is loosely based on the Clint
>Eastwood movie "Kelly's Heroes."
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>	The adventure starts in late August 1944 France. The platoon
>(the players and several NPC's) are resting for 3 days before they go
>back "on the line." That is the situation when a young (green, fresh out
>of OCS) Captain (NPC) pulls up and tells the SGT (PC) that he has orders
>to take over the platoon.
>	The captain will brief the platoon on the mission. Apparently
>several days ago another company in the platoon's regiment captured a
>German Colonel that had papers discussing a shipment of gold bars
>presently stored in a small town called Claremont. (Claremont is about
>30 miles behind the German lines.)
>	The German army is planning on moving this gold out and it would
>be a great blow to the Germans if the allies could stop this gold from
>going back to Berlin. The Captain's, and therefore the platoon's, orders
>are simple. If possible capture the gold and return it to the allied
>army, at all cost stop the gold from going to Berlin.
>	Only the platoon can do it because time, distance, need for
>troops elsewhere...yadda, yadda, yadda. (Note that the Captain will not
>say what or whom is guarding the gold.)
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>	******The above is what the Captain will tell the platoon. The
>truth 		is very different. The Captain is actually a member of
>OSI. OSI 		has learned that along with the gold the Germans
>have "acquired" 		a Vampire. This Vampire can not fall
>into the hands of the 			Hitler, so the OSI has ordered
>the Captain to take the platoon 		and destroy	the
>vampire. The platoon is "expendable." The 			captain
>will have a rucksack that he always carry's with him and
>that he is very secretive about. In it he has some wooden
>stakes, holy water, etc.
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>	So the platoon will head out with a halftrack and jeep. Once
>across German lines the platoon is scheduled to meet 3 Sherman tanks.
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>	The platoon will make it across German lines with little
>trouble. Once across they will stop at little wooded area to talk with
>the Captain. During, or a little after, their talk an airplane will
>strafe the area destroying the halftrack and jeep.
>	******Any suggestion on how to run this? I don't want to kill or
>even 		really cause any injuries, but I want it to be tense for
>the 		players. I am thinking of doing some reflex saves.
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>	Once out of that mess the players will begin walking towards
>their destination. They will walk into a minefield. (It will be set off
>by one of the players or NPC's.) As the players extract themselves from
>the minefield they will see several trucks of German soldiers headed
>there way.
>	The platoon will have plenty of cover and time to set up an
>ambush for the German soldiers. (Two trucks, one jeep, 2 officers, 20
>men.)
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>	After that fight the platoon will meet up with a single
>surviving Sherman and head for the town. At this time, or before it
>actually, I expect the PC's to be asking the Captain what the opposition
>is. The Captain figures the town is guarded by 30-40 troops and 3 Tiger
>tanks.
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>	The PC's will have advantage of surprise and will be able to
>easily scout the town discovering where most of the troops are
>stationed. They will be able to get the Sherman into the town by either
>using church bells to cover the sound or when the Tiger's "warm up"
>their engines.
>	In the ensuing fight the Sherman will be able to kill all there
>Tigers, but it will be destroyed itself. The platoon will be tied up
>taking care of soldiers and some strange looking soldiers as well. (Most
>of this should be a turkey shoot, but some germans will ""resist" more
>than others.)
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>	Once inside the "bank" the players will look at the gold while
>the captain goes for a covered lump in the floor. It will be a Coffin
>and the real fight will begin.....
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>What do you think?
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