RE: [pyrnet] French vs. American Heads in the Great Pyrenees

[bailey.amy@myfairpoint.net]

Hi,

Don't forget that the dog will spend the vast majority of his/her time outside the ring at home with you.  Consider the personality!  You want a happy dog who is glad to spend time with you!  A dumb beauty queen / king will not make you happy either.  I do not know any of the dogs you selected as standards and I am sure they are all delightful animals, but donât get totally hung up on their looks alone.  My guys turn heads when people see them, but it is their personality that wins friends.  They have never been in a show ring, but their relatives have so I am sure you can have beauty and brains.

Amy  with Sweetie (French and American champions in her pedigree and she lives up to her name), Charlie (American champions and he actually comes when called) and Harry Pugger, a cute but chubby pug.



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From: owner-pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org [mailto:owner-pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:26 AM
To: pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org
Subject: Re: [pyrnet] French vs. American Heads in the Great Pyrenees

Hi
They all are beautiful dogs.  All would finish quickly.  Make sure they move correctly.
Lisa

AndrÃa deCarlo <staad03@moravian.edu> wrote:

>Hi, all!
>
>So I'm trying to decide where I should get my first Pyr to show, and 
>what I'm looking for in a dog, and I'm definitely having a lot of 
>trouble.  I'm located in the US, and will compete in the AKC.
>
>I've included in this ( http://i54.tinypic.com/jubqle.jpg ) image shots 
>of a few Pyrs I really like.  I am in no way intending to open a public 
>discussion of any of these dogs' perceived faults!  I admire all these 
>dogs, and have great respect for their breeders and owners.  Though I 
>suppose they are still recognizable, I have labeled the dogs with 
>letters rather than names.
>
>Let me make a few initial comments (which you can disagree with) on 
>each.... and please remember that although I have seen dozens of photos 
>(and it some cases, video footage) of these dogs at various angles, I 
>have yet to see any in person.
>
>R - R is a beautiful dog, and has ranked incredibly well in the AKC.  I 
>have owned a dog from R's breeder before, and loved everything about 
>her.  R's breeder produced many dogs who I think look a lot like R.
>
>M - M is from the same breeder as R, but I think is a bit different from 
>most of the dogs there.  M's head is, from what I've been told, more of 
>a "French style" head.  Other dogs I will discuss have this to a greater 
>degree, but M has an incredible and lovely balance between the "French" 
>and "American"  type Pyrs.  I would be so proud to own a dog like this, 
>but I have not seen him--or others like him--in the ring very often.
>
>P - I would say that P fits more into the "American" type category than 
>M.  One gripe I have with a lot of the dogs I see here in the US is how 
>loose-lipped they can be--though it seems as though this has improved 
>over the past 20 years or so.  P does not have this problem, and I 
>cannot find a single thing about this dog's head or expression that I do 
>not like.  P has been, and continues to be, successful in the ring.
>
>H - H is not from the United States, and certainly looks different from 
>many of the Pyrs here in the US. One gripe I have with a lot of US dogs 
>is how loose-lipped they can be... though it seems as though this has 
>improved over the past 20 years or so?  H's head does not remind me of 
>the dogs that have been most successful in the US as of lately, but 
>reminds me SO much of photos I have seen of the early American Pyrs.
>
>T - T is very similar to H, I think.  Cutie.
>
>I cannot tell how much of the perceived difference in these dogs is due 
>to their coat, but I have heard enough others confirm that there is a 
>distinct "French" and "American" type that I know there must be some 
>structural differences.
>
>
>So, to the question(s) and such!  I am incredibly impressed with P, and 
>would love to have a pup resembling P.  But I can't decide.  I also 
>think H is a beautiful dog, but find myself nervous that getting a dog 
>like her as my first show dog would not go well in the AKC?  I would 
>love to hear your opinions and experiences/thoughts on whether more of a 
>French-type dog would be able to be successful in the US... I think the 
>smartest thing for me to do would be to search for a dog like P, and 
>then if I am still so inclined, to incorporate dogs like H, T, and M 
>into my lines when the perfect opportunity/dog arises.
>
>I'd really really like to hear your opinions.
>
>
>AndrÃa
>
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