I don't know the colors of any of the dogs you've mentioned in both of your emails, but according to the book, The New Complete Great Pyrenees by Paul Strang, these dogs came from some TOP kennels. Sue Steggall Soleil Sheila Tip'nchip Beaux Chevaux Tipnchip's Chalet Tardets Tipnchip Lorelei Thanks, Chrissy