There are a few LGD lists on yahoo, but they are generally pretty quiet unless you ask a question. Then there is LGD-L on the L-Soft server. There is a Flockguard list out there as well. Barb Bowes Bo & Chelsea (Pyrs), Flopsy (Pyr Shep) & Machin (Doxie) The more people I meet, the more I like my dog! bamb@monmouth.com