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The opening page for this chat line states that it's intention is to help
people with accurate information about this wonderful breed. I for one would
like to apologize to Jodi for not getting the information she asked for on
this web site. I am a lurker on this site and have noticed in the past that
there are only a select few who constantly post. Now I know why that is. You
are not in anyway willing to help with information unless it agrees with
your opinions. Perhaps if you would have answered Jodi's question she would
have continued to read your post and continued to learn about the breed.
Instead you insulted her and made her feel unwelcome on this site. What a
shame and how unprofessional. You educate by being informative and
compassionate with other people. Perhaps you regulars should rename this
site something more appropriate like The Callous Pyr Help Line. I fully
understand the spay- neuter issue but you can't educate people by running
them off the network that should be educating them.
Diana
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> [pyrnet] something to think about?? ARIEGE@xtra.co.nz
> [pyrnet] Re: Something to think abou sandybear@intercity.dk
> [pyrnet] test-ignore urshock@zeelandnet.nl
> [pyrnet] Breeding? okduh@juno.com
> [pyrnet] Hair. clhenke@juno.com
> Re: [pyrnet] Breeding? SWachter@email.msn.com
> Re: [pyrnet] Breeding? clhenke@juno.com
> [pyrnet] Breeding? ARIEGE@xtra.co.nz
> Re: [pyrnet] Breeding? lochsloy@eagnet.com
> Re: [pyrnet] Breeding? espinay@dynamite.com.au
> Re: [pyrnet] Breeding? pyrsrgr8@yahoo.com
> Re: [pyrnet] Hair. bamb@monmouth.com
> Re: [pyrnet] Breeding? okduh@juno.com
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> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:56:04 +1200
> From: ARIEGE@xtra.co.nz
> Subject: [pyrnet] something to think about??
>
> Been away for a few days at shows and came home last night with a Pyr
friend
> who had a good look through all the Pyr bits here including the many
photos
> etc over the years. She made me think when she said "what if you kark it
> Janella (an antipodean expression for leaving this world for the next
one!)
> and no one knows who these Pyrs are in the photos". Fair comment I
thought
> so gave her a black felt pen and said the names while she wrote them on
back
> of photos. I recall 3 years ago at a family gathering (funeral) all the
> old photo albums came out and my 82 year old Mother was (is) the only one
> left who knew all the names from the last century so she said them and we
> wrote them on the back of photos. Along with the writing came a running
> commentary on who was in photos, where the photo was taken, who had
"karked"
> it, etc etc but at least we've left something for the next generation.
> They wont have the running commentary we had and all the memories that she
> has . I think it gave my Mother a shock to realise that she had all this
> information in that old head and was the only one left ( in New Zealand)
so
> she went home and put names, dates etc on all her own photos.
>
> Thanks Lavina for doing that for me, I am very sorry I tried to poison
your
> child with those lovely Pyr "choccies" Kerry sent. I honestly didn't know
> they were soaps, I honestly didn't!!
>
> Kind Regards, Jan,
> Jan Chaplin Ariege-Roussillon Pyreneans.Visit my site here
> http://www.geocities.com/janellachaplin
> join here http://www.egroups.com/group/CaninePostcardCollectors
> or visit here http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/PetsPl/pyreneanmountaindog/
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> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:53:32 +0200
> From: sandybear@intercity.dk
> Subject: [pyrnet] Re: Something to think about
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> Good point Jan. I guess I tend to think of all my pyr photos (and I have =
> many) as something of interest only to me. Sure I show some of them to =
> pyr friends, and some of them could be of interest to others if ( or =
> when) I "kark it", so one day when I have nothing else to do, I will try =
> to put names on the most important ones.=20
> As a matter of fact with pictures of young puppies it should be done =
> right away, as sometimes it is difficult to tell some of the littermates =
> apart a just a few years latter - especially with a few all white =
> puppies in a litter.
>
> Lene Nielsen
> sandybear@intercity.dk
> http://home.intercity.dk/~ic0795/
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> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:57:02 +0200
> From: urshock@zeelandnet.nl
> Subject: [pyrnet] test-ignore
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> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:04:38 -0500
> From: okduh@juno.com
> Subject: [pyrnet] Breeding?
>
> Hi all,
> My question is when should one stop breeding their dog? At what age? I
> have a 5yo pyr and when I brought
> her home 2+ mos ago, did not realize she was in heat. Well my male
> pyr/St. Bernard found out quick enough. Ha ha
> She is healthy and delivered 10, one died. I was thinking that she is too
> old now for this but do not know.
> She has had pups before with last owner. I know it is wise to skip a heat
> but no info when breeding should stop all together. Any info would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Jodi
> Franklin(pyr/st.b.) Libby(all pyr), & Gracie(german shep.)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:20:20 -0500
> From: clhenke@juno.com
> Subject: [pyrnet] Hair.
>
> Wow is the list quiet. Seems so strange!
>
> Will the gal in Canada that was willing to take some bags of Pyr. down,
> get in touch with me? I lost your address
> ( and name, I'm sorry to say ), in a desk and computer move. I've hunted
> all over.
>
> I do remember you telling me to shrink it down, box it tight, and write
> Dog hair/No commercial value, on the box.
> I just can't find your name and address. My guys have started another
> shed out ( I have no idea why at this time of year ), and I figured I
> better get this other stuff out, before white fuzz starts sticking out
> the windows, and we look like a giant cotton ball!
>
> Hope everyone on the list is ok. Robyn, we were amazed by your
> "show/fireworks "story. I've known some pretty strange events at shows,
> but that was a real disaster! Cindy
>
> Cindy Henke
> clhenke@juno.com
> Ennis, Texas
>
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> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:16:31 -0600
> From: SWachter@email.msn.com
> Subject: Re: [pyrnet] Breeding?
>
> Stand back, Jodi, you are about to be inundated by hate mail--or at least
> "how could you???" mail. There are many who believe very strongly about
> unplanned, unknowledgeable, etc. breeders.
> If you really don't know about breeding, genetics, etc., don't breed.
> Unless the resulting puppies will benefit the the breed by improving
mental
> and physical characteristics, don't breed. There are already way too many
> Pyrs out there that no longer benefit the breed. Way too many Pyrs in
> rescue because owners don't understand the breed.
>
> So to answer your question, when should a bitch be taken out of the
breeding
> pool? The answer is: Unless the bitch is sound, the breeder knowledgeable
> and the pups will be going to responsible homes--she should never be bred.
>
> Accidents happen. But if you insist on having intact males and females
> (because you believe sterilization is mutalation) then it is your
> responsibility to see that neither be allowed to breed again. If this
seems
> harsh, think of all the boo-boos being euthanized each day in your local
> shelter. Do you want your pups to end up there? Odds are many will.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jodi l gordon <okduh@juno.com>
> To: pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org <pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org>
> Date: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 9:04 AM
> Subject: [pyrnet] Breeding?
>
>
> >Hi all,
> >My question is when should one stop breeding their dog? At what age? I
> >have a 5yo pyr and when I brought
> >her home 2+ mos ago, did not realize she was in heat. Well my male
> >pyr/St. Bernard found out quick enough. Ha ha
> >She is healthy and delivered 10, one died. I was thinking that she is too
> >old now for this but do not know.
> >She has had pups before with last owner. I know it is wise to skip a heat
> >but no info when breeding should stop all together. Any info would be
> >greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Jodi
> >Franklin(pyr/st.b.) Libby(all pyr), & Gracie(german shep.)
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe, send a message to esquire@pyrnet.org with
> > unsubscribe pyrnet-l
> >as the BODY of the message. The SUBJECT is ignored.
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:16:27 -0500
> From: clhenke@juno.com
> Subject: Re: [pyrnet] Breeding?
>
> Good letter, it's true, lots of us feel strongly about breeding, when so
> many dogs must be rescued, and/or die. You put it nicely though. Cindy
>
>
> Cindy Henke
> clhenke@juno.com
> Ennis, Texas
>
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> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:45:53 +1200
> From: ARIEGE@xtra.co.nz
> Subject: [pyrnet] Breeding?
>
> Why even think about breeding again Jodi? Surely having her spayed would
be
> the best answer. Pyreneans should not be cross bred simple as that. Yes
> accidents do happen but planned accidents?? No I don't think so. If she's
> already had a couple of litters then spay her. There are enough problems
in
> this breed without more being added. Don't just skip one heat, skip the
> whole lot and please spay her . Think of all those poor unwanted animals
in
> rescue and don't add to the problem please.
>
> Jan Chaplin.
>
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> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:26:42 -0400
> From: lochsloy@eagnet.com
> Subject: Re: [pyrnet] Breeding?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jodi l gordon" <okduh@juno.com>
> To: <pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:04 AM
> Subject: [pyrnet] Breeding?
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > My question is when should one stop breeding their dog? At what age? I
> > have a 5yo pyr and when I brought
> > her home 2+ mos ago, did not realize she was in heat. Well my male
> > pyr/St. Bernard found out quick enough. Ha ha
> > She is healthy and delivered 10, one died. I was thinking that she is
too
> > old now for this but do not know.
> > She has had pups before with last owner. I know it is wise to skip a
heat
> > but no info when breeding should stop all together. Any info would be
> > greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Jodi
> > Franklin(pyr/st.b.) Libby(all pyr), & Gracie(german shep.)
> >
> Unless your bitch is a wonderful genetic example of the breed, you are
also
> a knowledgeable breeder, and you are willing to accept the ultimate
> responsibility for every pup your dog produces for the life of the pups.
You
> should not breed your dog at all. There are hundreds, nay thousands of
> wonderful purebreed pyrs put down in shelters every year. This "accident"
> with your pyr mix is a prime reason why dogs who are not fit to be
breeders
> should be altered. All dogs not being used for responsible breeding or who
> are show dogs should be altered. Having accidental puppies is nothing to
be
> laughing at or about. It is irresponsible. I do not mean to be harsh. It
is
> just that I do pyr rescue because I love the breed and believe all pyrs
have
> the right to a loving home. But all too many or them end up being
euthanized
> because of the irresponsibility of people who breed for all the wrong
> reasons.
> Marie and Beau
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:45:47 +1000
> From: espinay@dynamite.com.au
> Subject: Re: [pyrnet] Breeding?
>
> Here are a few links that will explain to you some of things you need to
> consider about breeding your Pyr:
>
> http://www.fix.net/~dogmag/sheltie/want-to-breed-article.html
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/7244/index2.html
>
> http://www.iupui.edu/~ihls400/responsible_breeder.html
>
> http://www.dog-play.com/ethics.html
>
> You may also want to take a look at the Great Pyrenees Club of America
site.
> There is lots of good info there, including a code of ethics which
outlines
> those principles which all responsible Pyr breeders should adhere to:
> http://clubs.akc.org/gpca/
>
> Remember when breeding you are responsible for those pups for the rest of
> their lives. That means placing them in suitable homes. Taking them back
> if for any reason the owner can't keep them (at any stage of their life),
> being responsible if the pup should develop any genetically related
> conditions (this means health testing and screening of the dog and bitch
> beforehand too and knowing their genetic background - what they have and
> what they may be carrying), taking responsibility for them if they end up
in
> rescue, providing advice to the new owners whenever they need it
throughout
> the pups life, and even taking responsibility for your puppies puppies
> should the owner breed them.
>
> Breeding is a big responsibility. Everyone who breeds has the future of
the
> breed as we know it in their hands. Will you be breeding sound Pyrs of
good
> type as per the the standards that have been laid down for us as guardians
> of the breed? If not, please, please don't do it.
>
> Tracy Bassett
> Canberra, Australia
> espinay@dynamite.com.au
> visit my webpage at http://members.dynamite.com.au/espinay/index.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:40:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: pyrsrgr8@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [pyrnet] Breeding?
>
> Jodi,
>
> > My question is when should one stop breeding their dog?
>
> 2 months ago.
>
> Patric.
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:34:34 -0400
> From: bamb@monmouth.com
> Subject: Re: [pyrnet] Hair.
>
> I also have a whole garbage bag full of undercoat here that would
> love to make a trip to anyone who would like it! <g>
>
> Barb Bowes
> Bo & Chelsea (Pyrs) & Flopsy (Pyr Shep)
> The more people I meet, the more I like my dog!
> bamb@monmouth.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:54:54 -0500
> From: okduh@juno.com
> Subject: Re: [pyrnet] Breeding?
>
> Also, no her getting bred was not a planned accident. I already planned
> on having her spayed any ways.
> Just wanted to know a dag gum answer. Don't worry, with yalls attitude to
> a simple question, you won't have to
> bother with me again. For your info I am not a back woods idiot to any of
> this about inbreeding and
> doing it for the heck of it. I just wanted to know what age. That is all.
> So thank you each and everyone for making
> sure I feels as stupid as I could ever feel. You have a wonderful day.
> And God Bless.
>
> Jodi
>
>
>
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