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RE: Re: [PyrNet-L] breeding question/showing
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dsmith@iolinc.net (Smith, Deborah) Wrote on
Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:45:04 -0500
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> May I ask a question here without getting blasted for my trouble?
Why =
does
> any dog, male or female have to be a Beauty Contest winner
in order =
to be
> bred? Again, please do not accuse me of being against dog shows,
that =
is NOT
> what I am asking. At this very moment my wife and I are waiting
for =
"The
> Most Wonderful Pyr In The World" ( just ask us or his owners
) to be =
bred so
> that we can be owned by one of his offspring. He has "Champion"
=
written all
> over him but did not do well in "The Show Ring."
First of all, shows are NOT beauty contests. The whole purpose
of =
showing is to find a dog who best exemplifies the original purpose
of =
the breed, be that house pet for the Yorki, herding for the Border
=
Collie or working for the Pyr. And yes, even the "old shepherds"
of the =
Pyrenees Mountains, although requiring the hardiest working dog,
were =
some of the first to say how they should look as well. A dog
(breed) =
has to look a certain way to do a certain job and to be a certain
breed.
There are some in this and other breeds who have no idea
if their =
dogs can do the original job and there are some judges who don't
know =
either, but that's what shows were originally for and for the
most part =
still are. Any dog who cannot do the original job should not
be bred.
How is it that 'he has "Champion" written all over him, but
did not =
do well in "The Show Ring"'? What was his problem showing?
Not all =
great dogs become recognized and some awful dogs do, I'm just
curious as =
to what the problem was.
> This is a fair question and should not be taken lightly. There
is =
probably
> no one size fits all answer to this question. In my ( personal
) =
opinion, no
> one should "Automatically" be denied ownership of an intact
dog, ( =
male or
> female ) simply on the basis of a single criteria; namely,
are they at =
this
> point in time an experienced Show Person or even presently
=
considering
> showing. This is arguably one of the main reasons that Puppy
Farms are =
able
> to proliferate. Many good people go to them because they have
been =
turned
> away from an ethical and responsible breeder.
Well, I don't want to sound rude but my personal opinion
is that =
everyone should automatically be denied breeding rights (female
or male) =
at least at first until they have been identified as a responsible
=
individual willing to do everything for that breed.
As for puppy farms or puppy mills (same thing), no one, no
matter =
how "good" should go to them just because they were turned away
from one =
or more ethical and responsible breeders. I know that not ALL
"ethical =
and responsible breeders" are actually ethical and responsible,
but the =
ones that truly are....then what's that say about the person
they turned =
away?!
> What do the rest of you good people on this list feel about
this? I =
truly
> value your opinions and enjoy hearing your anecdotes very much.
=
Particularly
> from "Down Under".
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> Terry Rickert
Sorry if I've sounded weird or offended anyone, this is just
my =
beliefs.
Chrissy
Rajah and Moses
West Union, WV
dsmith@iolinc.net
Chrissy;
No offense taken; but I believe that you more or less proved
my point. Who becomes the judge of who is or is not qualified
to own a dog? Unless I am mistaken 85 to 90% of any breed that
is registered with The AkC are not show dogs. However, the remaining
10 to 15% of Show Dog advocates are the people who are actually
in charge of The AKC. This is not new information by any means.
The professional handler is the person who said that "The Judges
did not know what they were looking at." Do not misunderstand
me here. Dog Shows are useful and a fun type family outing, but
please do not tell me that on The AKC level they are anything
more than beauty contests. I am too old and have been around
too long to believe that. Before I retired I met and photographed
many purebred dogs. It was a lot of fun and enabled me to meet
all sorts of interesting show people and breeders away from the
Show ring.
Anyway,I admit to not being politically correct. It's part of
my personality. Intelligent People can be capable of successful
Pyr ownership without being dedicated AKC show people. One is
not absolutely necessary to the other.
Regards,
Terry
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>> May I ask a question here without getting
=
blasted for my=20
trouble? Why does<BR>> any dog, male or female have to be a
=
Beauty=20
Contest winner in order to be<BR>> bred? Again, please do not
accuse =
me of=20
being against dog shows, that is NOT<BR>> what I am asking. At
this =
very=20
moment my wife and I are waiting for "The<BR>> Most Wonderful
Pyr In =
The=20
World" ( just ask us or his owners ) to be bred so<BR>> that
we can =
be owned=20
by one of his offspring. He has "Champion" written all<BR>> over
him =
but did=20
not do well in "The Show Ring."<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style"> First of all, =
shows are NOT=20
beauty contests. The whole purpose of showing is to find a dog
who =
best=20
exemplifies the original purpose of the breed, be that house
pet for the =
Yorki,=20
herding for the Border Collie or working for the Pyr. And yes,
=
even the=20
"old shepherds" of the Pyrenees Mountains, although requiring
the =
hardiest=20
working dog, were some of the first to say how they should look
as =
well. A=20
dog (breed) has to look a certain way to do a certain job and
to be a =
certain=20
breed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style"> There are some in =
this and=20
other breeds who have no idea if their dogs can do the original
job and =
there=20
are some judges who don't know either, but that's what shows
were =
originally for=20
and for the most part still are. Any dog who cannot do the =
original job=20
should not be bred.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style"> How is it that =
'he has=20
"Champion" written all over him, but did not do well in "The
Show =
Ring"'? =20
What was his problem showing? Not all great dogs become recognized
=
and=20
some awful dogs do, I'm just curious as to what the problem =
was.</FONT><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>> This is a fair question and should not
be =
taken=20
lightly. There is probably<BR>> no one size fits all answer to
this =
question.=20
In my ( personal ) opinion, no<BR>> one should "Automatically"
=
be=20
denied ownership of an intact dog, ( male or<BR>> female ) simply
on =
the=20
basis of a single criteria; namely, are they at this<BR>> point
in =
time =20
an experienced Show Person or even presently considering<BR>>
=
showing. This=20
is arguably one of the main reasons that Puppy Farms are able<BR>>
to =
proliferate. Many good people go to them because they have been
=
turned<BR>>=20
away from an ethical and responsible breeder.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style" =
size=3D3> Well, I=20
don't want to sound rude but my personal opinion is that everyone
should =
automatically be denied breeding rights (female or male) at least
at =
first until=20
they have been identified as a responsible individual willing
to do =
everything=20
for that breed.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style" =
size=3D3> As for=20
puppy farms or puppy mills (same thing), no one, no matter how
"good" =
should go=20
to them just because they were turned away from one or more ethical
and=20
responsible breeders. I know that not ALL "ethical and responsible
=
breeders" are actually ethical and responsible, but the ones
that =
truly=20
are....then what's that say about the person they turned=20
away?!</FONT><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>> What do the rest of you good people on
this =
list feel=20
about this? I truly<BR>> value your opinions and enjoy hearing
your =
anecdotes=20
very much. Particularly<BR>> from "Down Under".<BR>> <BR>>=20
Regards,<BR>> <BR>> Terry Rickert</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> </FONT><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old =
Style"=20
size=3D3>Sorry if I've sounded weird or offended anyone, this
is just my =
beliefs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Vladimir Script" size=3D4>Chrissy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style">Rajah and Moses</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style">West Union, WV</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style"><A=20
href=3D"mailto:dsmith@iolinc.net">dsmith@iolinc.net</A></FONT></DIV>
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