Re: [PyrNet-L] Shock collars and pinch

["EUDORA COX" <eudora17@hotmail.com>]

Debbie,
Can I ask a silly question?..What is a CD & CDX?
Marcie


>From: Kiradaw@aol.com
>Reply-To: pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org
>To: pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org
>Subject: [PyrNet-L] Shock collars and pinch
>Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:06:54 EST
>
>Hi All, I hope I don't offend anyone here, but I have been reading the on
>going argument about this subject. First, I think we are going to have to
>agree to disagree, everyone has their own approach to training. I have put 
>4
>CD"s on Pyr's and a CDX on one, it is not easy and every dog is different,
>and every animal. I have been a professional horse trainer for 20 years, I
>usually get in the ones that others have failed with, I turn most of them
>around and make them easy to live with. I have several World Champions and
>International Champions. Most of these horses were trained under harsh 
>means,
>which is not my way and why I am able to turn them around. I have never 
>used
>a shock collar and don't think I ever will. The pinch collar on the other
>hand used right is much easier on a dog than other collars, you do not use
>them forever, you cannot show in them. I trained Kim in a pinch and she 
>would
>rather be with me than any other place, you don't give the correction the 
>dog
>does. When I do put a pinch on her she sits nicely and allows me to put it 
>on
>her without a problem. Let me get out the ear cleaner though and she is out
>of the room, I tried the clicker method on KIM she hated it so much she 
>would
>run when she saw or heard it. She didn't like the sound, the clicker 
>trainer
>says it doesn't work on every dog and not to use it on her. I do train with
>treats and praise, and positive reinforcement with my voice. I have never
>hurt my dog with a pinch collar, or else she would let me know without a
>doubt. She has been in training long enough that she is very reliable on or
>off lead. I do not let her loose in public, for her sake, I can yell leave 
>it
>and she will stop what ever she is doing and come to me. Teaching a leave 
>it
>command is invaluable! I will say that I'm surprised to hear those of you 
>who
>do not think a pinch collar proper would kick hit or spray a dog with
>peppermace. I would much prefer that you went after the owner through 
>proper
>channels than to pick on the dog that has no control over being loose or
>trained properly. I train my dogs so they are safe and easy to handle, so
>that in any situation I have the upper hand, and I have very happy dogs.
>Sullen dogs do not do well in the show ring, happy ones excel, my Pyrs have
>scores in 180's and the 190's on a regular basis. I also have a Border 
>Collie
>and he is a breeze to train compared to a Pyr,they each have their own way. 
>I
>am willing to help anyone as much as I can through the list, that is if I 
>am
>not kicked off after this. I love working with animals and people, hope to
>talk to you later ..........Debbie
>
>
>To unsubscribe, send a message to esquire@pyrnet.org with
>	unsubscribe pyrnet-l
>as the BODY of the message.  The SUBJECT is ignored.
>

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com