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Doyle,
This is way hysterical, especially JB's public post that shows
the choreographing she was doing. "Sally" certainly knows her
shit.
Tried calling you back on Saturday, but you came in as "private"
and when I hit the dial back number they told me the call could
not go through. And all I had at home was your MA Number ;-(.
Don't know what time you get up, but I think some of these posts
are going to put a little sunshine in your life.
Talk soon.
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 02:46:36 PST
> From: sally9140@hotmail.com
> Subject: [PyrNet-L] Wacko bitch
>
> <<Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:49:38 -0500
> From: pyrjam@zdial.com
> Subject: [PyrNet-L] Wacko bitch>>
>
> ohmygod.....you scared me jay.....from the subject line i thought you
> were talking about jean boyd again
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:01:28 EST
> From: JYoung2352@aol.com
> Subject: [PyrNet-L] Re: Pyr males
>
> Thanks everyone for all the advice on getting a second male puppy. The
> fighting sounds so horrible. It looks like we need to just get ourselves a
> sweet baby girl instead - for Kimba's and Atlas's peace.
>
> Jen
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:27:47 -0500
> From: pyrjam@zdial.com
> Subject: Re: [PyrNet-L] Wacko bitch
>
> Sorry to disappoint you, but it's only my dog that wacky.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sally . <sally9140@hotmail.com>
> To: pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org <pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 6:25 AM
> Subject: [PyrNet-L] Wacko bitch
>
> ><<Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:49:38 -0500
> >From: pyrjam@zdial.com
> >Subject: [PyrNet-L] Wacko bitch>>
> >
> >ohmygod.....you scared me jay.....from the subject line i thought you
> >were talking about jean boyd again
> >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe, send a message to esquire@pyrnet.org with
> > unsubscribe pyrnet-l
> >as the BODY of the message. The SUBJECT is ignored.
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:33:48 -0500
> From: bamb@monmouth.com
> Subject: Re: Re: [PyrNet-L] HEALTH: Clondike's Miracle Anal Sac Cure
>
> Silvadene (silver sulfadiazine)
>
> Barb Bowes, NJ down at the shore!
> Bo, Molly, Chelsea & Flopsy the Pyr Shep
> The more people I meet, the more I like my dog!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:15:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: tigerlilly71@yahoo.com
> Subject: [PyrNet-L] Issues of conduct
>
> I do not feel that this forum is the proper place for an attack on
> anyone, nor should it be used as a platform for lobbying a membership
> body. Since issues have come up that I have been directly involved
> with, I would like to shed some light, and set the record straight. I
> will not be posting further regarding these issues, however, as I am
> sure most of the individuals on the list are really not interested in
> this thread -- after all this list is supposed to about dogs! :-)
> I have not been active on this list for quite some time, and some of
> you may not remember me. I was involved with Victoria Coffman until
> October 1997, was one of original list-owners, designed and
> co-authored the PyrNet site, the original Rivergroves site, and a
> number of other pyr and dog related sites, including Impyrial's. It
> was never my practice to register a client's domain under my own name,
> nor was it Victoria's practice up until doing so with the Rivergroves
> domain. It is unfortunate that Jean Boyd has been taken advantage of
> in this way, and I wish to set the record straight that during the
> time I worked with Victoria Coffman, or after that time, this was and
> has never been my practice. I would also like to set the record
> straight on the issue of payment. I witnessed that Victoria did
> receive a check from Jean Boyd for $100 for domain name registration.
> I wonder how Karen Justin would feel if I had registered Impyrial in
> my name after I designed her site?
>
> There are other issues of ethical conduct involved in this matter,
> which I am sure will be brought to a different forum. I do not plan to
> post further on the list. If further clarification is desired on any
> of the points I have mentioned, you may email me at
> tigerlilly71@yahoo.com.
> I hope these issues can be resolved in a manner that best serves the
> Pyr community as a whole.
>
> Toni Robinson
> tigerlilly71@yahoo.com
> http://www.futuretimes.com/tigerlilly
>
> _________________________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:42:56 -0800
> From: woodskk@eburg.com
> Subject: Re: [PyrNet-L] Re: Pyr males
>
> Jen,
> I really hate to be a doomsayer, but since your female
> is dominant there is a strong chance the two females
> will fight also.
> Kerry
>
> Kerry Kern Woods <woodskk@eburg.com>
> Ellensburg, WA
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JYoung2352@aol.com <JYoung2352@aol.com>
> To: pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org <pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 5:18 AM
> Subject: [PyrNet-L] Re: Pyr males
>
> >
> >Thanks everyone for all the advice on getting a second male puppy. The
> >fighting sounds so horrible. It looks like we need to just get ourselves a
> >sweet baby girl instead - for Kimba's and Atlas's peace.
> >
> >Jen
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe, send a message to esquire@pyrnet.org with
> > unsubscribe pyrnet-l
> >as the BODY of the message. The SUBJECT is ignored.
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:01:57 EST
> From: JGentzel@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [PyrNet-L] Issues of conduct
>
> In a message dated 3/20/99 10:15:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> tigerlilly71@yahoo.com writes:
>
> << I do not feel that this forum is the proper place for an attack on
> anyone, nor should it be used as a platform for lobbying a membership
> body. >>
>
> Then, please explain why you proceeded to launch into such an inflammatory
> post. Aren't these things you post between individuals? Why would we care if
> you saw some payment or check between individuals? It's very obvious that you
> have an agenda and viewpoint. You, of course, would now expect the people
> with opposing viewpoints to remain silent now after your shots?
>
> << I do not plan to
> post further on the list. If further clarification is desired on any
> of the points I have mentioned, you may email me at
> tigerlilly71@yahoo.com.
> I hope these issues can be resolved in a manner that best serves the
> Pyr community as a whole. >>
>
> Why did you post in the first place?
>
> Joe
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:13:49 PST
> From: sally9140@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [PyrNet-L] Pyr-related, FINALLY!
>
> This message is long, but it is well worth it. For the first time, it
> will address some of the DOG related issues in the background. I do not
> feel that I have betrayed any confidences as I understand the entire
> truth about the last "33" (which is more like 20-25) years is about to
> come out.
>
> >From: Tigerlilly <tigerlilly71@yahoo.com>
> >It was never my practice to register a client's domain
> >under my own name, nor was it Victoria's practice
>
> Ms. Lilly - it takes only a few moments of research on both of your
> sites and through the Internic database to see that "rivergroves.com"
> was the #FIRST# domain name registered by either of you. When you
> intentionally distort such easily recognizable facts, your point is
> lost.
>
> >From: Tigerlilly <tigerlilly71@yahoo.com>
> >I witnessed that Victoria did receive a check from Jean Boyd for
> >$100 for domain name registration.
>
> That's incredible! Around 50 webpages and domain name registration all
> for a low $100! Your friend, Jean Boyd, must have gotten the deal of
> the century. Prices like that just can't be beat -- almost makes you
> wonder how one could stay in business with such prices.
>
> Do you have any other information that helps prove Jean Boyd's
> well-detailed and believable side of the story?
>
> Tim Parks mentioned that Jean Boyd is not on this list. That is odd
> since I have seen her post here. How could anyone try to paint Jean
> Boyd as a "victim"? Jean Boyd has a history of using people and dogs to
> her full advantage and then setting out to destroy them when she is done
> with them.
>
> As someone else pointed out, Jean Boyd is famous for getting new and
> unknowledgeable people in the breed to do her "dirty work." Perhaps
> these underlings should get their story straight before airing it in a
> public forum, or am I the only person that noticed the inconsistencies
> in Jennifer Young's and Tim Parks' emails? For instance, in Jennifer
> Young's email, first Jean Boyd had no idea that the website would be in
> Victoria Coffman's name and then: "The owner of the kennel has made it
> clear that she would like her Domain name returned to her and placed
> within her name - which was the original deal years ago." Then Tim
> Parks writes in that the Coffmans were not part owners of the kennel,
> website, or domain name and then refers to them as "ex-partners." So,
> which is it, folks? Do either Tim Parks or Jennifer Young have any
> proof to go along with these accusations? Or are they just repeating
> what has been fed to them?
>
> Jen, instead of spewing someone else's venom, why don't you ask your
> breeder more about your new puppy. I understand that you have a new
> "Supreme" Ch. Rivergroves You Be the Judge puppy. Is this puppy for
> breeding, and, if so, did Jean Boyd tell you what to expect from future
> litters? Did she mention what things to watch for from your puppy?
> Like, just for starters, did she mention that his MOTHER and TWO OF HIS
> SISTERS had epilepsy? Did she mention that Supreme has a 50% chance of
> being a dwarf? None of this is ringing a bell? Well, she must have
> mentioned his worst problem of all then which makes all of the other
> problems pale by comparison. Now, I'm not sure which litter you got a
> puppy out of -- but, if it was the Supreme and Mascara litter, did Jean
> mention that the mother is dysplastic and that the vet's puppy check
> diagnosed FIVE OF THE TEN with patella problems????? No?? If it is a
> puppy from Supreme and Nayla, did she mention that there was luxating
> patella there too? Perhaps, if you intend to breed your dog, you should
> start asking just exactly what kind of percentages of Supreme's puppies
> have been euthanized for luxating patella. It's really astonishing and
> should show you point blank how everything this poor, helpless little
> victim, Jean Boyd, cares about the health of the dogs and the future of
> the breed.
>
> I know I sleep safer at night just knowing that Jean Boyd is in charge
> of allowing or disallowing membership into the parent club.
>
> Let me see if I've got this right now. Jean Boyd goes to handling
> classes and then lunch every Wednesday with Nancy Coombs, who has been
> heard slandering one of the members involved at these functions. Jean
> Boyd and the Coombs have been breeding together. White Coombs is one of
> the Board members who voted to uphold Jean's protest. hmmmmmmmm....
> What's wrong with this picture? Isn't this the same man who is in
> charge of Judge's Education? Considering the facts that he put up a
> spook at a national specialty -- one who was so scared that his tail was
> tucked completely under him and his handler had to hold the dog's head
> against his leg -- and the fact that the Coombs are notorious for having
> scared dogs -- and the fact that "temperament is of the utmost
> importance" in this breed -- it does start to make you wonder just what
> it is that he might be teaching other judges. And now, to top it all
> off, I understand that the good Whit Coombs has accepted a judging
> assignment which directly interferes with the general meeting at the
> national specialty. How convenient. Perhaps this is just an attempt to
> avoid facing the music, so to speak.
>
> Tim, before you asked for enlightenment, you should have made sure that
> is what your client, Jean Boyd, truly wanted. Oh well, too late now.
> And I'm sure that there is -- just oh soooo much -- more to come. Jean
> Boyd is possibly the most unethical breeder of our time. I look forward
> to all of the facts coming out. Perhaps instead of telling other list
> members to take it offline, some will realize that the best thing that
> could ever happen to the dogs in Jean Boyd's care and the breed as a
> whole would be for the truth to come out!
>
> What HAS happened to all of the people and dogs that Jean has been
> through? How about some of her recent specials? "Blue" Ch. Rivergroves
> Red White and Blue and "Chanel" Ch. Rivergroves Designer Label? They
> were placed? Oh, I see. Once you start to pin Jean down on her
> stories, you will see that they unfold before your very eyes. The truth
> is, "Blue" and "Chanel" were both euthanized. What about Donna
> Ankerway, Jackie Bandi, Cheryl Grimshaw, Carol Doyle, Sharon Greenspun,
> and now the Coffmans. Wouldn't you LOVE to know the real truth about
> their disappearances too?
> More to come,
> Sally (in case that was still not obvious to some of our slower members
> from my email address)
> p.s. Sorry in advance for any typos.
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:27:15 -0000
> From: jdmigas@email.msn.com
> Subject: Re: [PyrNet-L] Pyr-related, FINALLY!
>
> Dear Sally,
>
> You have better have plenty of proof as to what you are accussing both the
> boyd's & the coombs of. There isn't a kennel or puppy mill out there that
> doesn't have problems in there breeding program. Let's not forget to say
> what happens to these dogs when they go into peoples homes.
>
> I don't know how Jean works but I can tell you that I have heard personal
> attacks made on the coombs which they were made aware of but not once have
> they dignified or lowered themselves with slandering the individuals who
> attacked them. If they have a problem with that individual they deal with
> it privately not on a list. I deal very closely with them and they are
> NOT on this list to defend themselves but trust me they will hear about this
> and I hope that they will respond to your accusations. The wonderful
> (imho) Whit Coombs along with others was not notified that the hosting club
> had CHANGED THE DATE OF THE NATIONAL and he along with other GPCA members
> accepted judging assignments. Nancy will be at the National will you?
>
> As far as their breeding - read your code of ethics if you are a GPCA
> member. If you think you know the coomb's breeding so well - i invite you
> to come to my house or hell i'll come to yours with my Maranatha dogs and
> then we can talk. Or maybe you might want to accompany me on our therapy
> visits with mentally challenged adults? Notorious for scared dogs!
> Really? No not all of anyones pyrs are perfect (except mine vbg) but one
> hopes to improve with each litter.
> Tell us who you are and how many litters you have had that makes you such an
> authority.
>
> And as far as his judging - I wasn't there but if it is valid it should be
> taking up the AKC not on this pyr list. Did your dog/bitch loose when you
> feel it should have won - then again that's an AKC issue.
>
> Dianne Migas - NJ
> jdmigas@email.msn.com
>
> Have you hugged your Pyr today? Gunner's off to the "Fat Farm"
> and Murphy's still ROTF laughing! Ha! Ha! "FAT BOY"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sally . <sally9140@hotmail.com>
> To: pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org <pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [PyrNet-L] Pyr-related, FINALLY!
>
> >This message is long, but it is well worth it. For the first time, it
> >will address some of the DOG related issues in the background. I do not
> >feel that I have betrayed any confidences as I understand the entire
> >truth about the last "33" (which is more like 20-25) years is about to
> >come out.
> >
> >>From: Tigerlilly <tigerlilly71@yahoo.com>
> >>It was never my practice to register a client's domain
> >>under my own name, nor was it Victoria's practice
> >
> >Ms. Lilly - it takes only a few moments of research on both of your
> >sites and through the Internic database to see that "rivergroves.com"
> >was the #FIRST# domain name registered by either of you. When you
> >intentionally distort such easily recognizable facts, your point is
> >lost.
> >
> >>From: Tigerlilly <tigerlilly71@yahoo.com>
> >>I witnessed that Victoria did receive a check from Jean Boyd for
> >>$100 for domain name registration.
> >
> >That's incredible! Around 50 webpages and domain name registration all
> >for a low $100! Your friend, Jean Boyd, must have gotten the deal of
> >the century. Prices like that just can't be beat -- almost makes you
> >wonder how one could stay in business with such prices.
> >
> >Do you have any other information that helps prove Jean Boyd's
> >well-detailed and believable side of the story?
> >
> >Tim Parks mentioned that Jean Boyd is not on this list. That is odd
> >since I have seen her post here. How could anyone try to paint Jean
> >Boyd as a "victim"? Jean Boyd has a history of using people and dogs to
> >her full advantage and then setting out to destroy them when she is done
> >with them.
> >
> >As someone else pointed out, Jean Boyd is famous for getting new and
> >unknowledgeable people in the breed to do her "dirty work." Perhaps
> >these underlings should get their story straight before airing it in a
> >public forum, or am I the only person that noticed the inconsistencies
> >in Jennifer Young's and Tim Parks' emails? For instance, in Jennifer
> >Young's email, first Jean Boyd had no idea that the website would be in
> >Victoria Coffman's name and then: "The owner of the kennel has made it
> >clear that she would like her Domain name returned to her and placed
> >within her name - which was the original deal years ago." Then Tim
> >Parks writes in that the Coffmans were not part owners of the kennel,
> >website, or domain name and then refers to them as "ex-partners." So,
> >which is it, folks? Do either Tim Parks or Jennifer Young have any
> >proof to go along with these accusations? Or are they just repeating
> >what has been fed to them?
> >
> >Jen, instead of spewing someone else's venom, why don't you ask your
> >breeder more about your new puppy. I understand that you have a new
> >"Supreme" Ch. Rivergroves You Be the Judge puppy. Is this puppy for
> >breeding, and, if so, did Jean Boyd tell you what to expect from future
> >litters? Did she mention what things to watch for from your puppy?
> >Like, just for starters, did she mention that his MOTHER and TWO OF HIS
> >SISTERS had epilepsy? Did she mention that Supreme has a 50% chance of
> >being a dwarf? None of this is ringing a bell? Well, she must have
> >mentioned his worst problem of all then which makes all of the other
> >problems pale by comparison. Now, I'm not sure which litter you got a
> >puppy out of -- but, if it was the Supreme and Mascara litter, did Jean
> >mention that the mother is dysplastic and that the vet's puppy check
> >diagnosed FIVE OF THE TEN with patella problems????? No?? If it is a
> >puppy from Supreme and Nayla, did she mention that there was luxating
> >patella there too? Perhaps, if you intend to breed your dog, you should
> >start asking just exactly what kind of percentages of Supreme's puppies
> >have been euthanized for luxating patella. It's really astonishing and
> >should show you point blank how everything this poor, helpless little
> >victim, Jean Boyd, cares about the health of the dogs and the future of
> >the breed.
> >
> >I know I sleep safer at night just knowing that Jean Boyd is in charge
> >of allowing or disallowing membership into the parent club.
> >
> >Let me see if I've got this right now. Jean Boyd goes to handling
> >classes and then lunch every Wednesday with Nancy Coombs, who has been
> >heard slandering one of the members involved at these functions. Jean
> >Boyd and the Coombs have been breeding together. White Coombs is one of
> >the Board members who voted to uphold Jean's protest. hmmmmmmmm....
> >What's wrong with this picture? Isn't this the same man who is in
> >charge of Judge's Education? Considering the facts that he put up a
> >spook at a national specialty -- one who was so scared that his tail was
> >tucked completely under him and his handler had to hold the dog's head
> >against his leg -- and the fact that the Coombs are notorious for having
> >scared dogs -- and the fact that "temperament is of the utmost
> >importance" in this breed -- it does start to make you wonder just what
> >it is that he might be teaching other judges. And now, to top it all
> >off, I understand that the good Whit Coombs has accepted a judging
> >assignment which directly interferes with the general meeting at the
> >national specialty. How convenient. Perhaps this is just an attempt to
> >avoid facing the music, so to speak.
> >
> >Tim, before you asked for enlightenment, you should have made sure that
> >is what your client, Jean Boyd, truly wanted. Oh well, too late now.
> >And I'm sure that there is -- just oh soooo much -- more to come. Jean
> >Boyd is possibly the most unethical breeder of our time. I look forward
> >to all of the facts coming out. Perhaps instead of telling other list
> >members to take it offline, some will realize that the best thing that
> >could ever happen to the dogs in Jean Boyd's care and the breed as a
> >whole would be for the truth to come out!
> >
> >What HAS happened to all of the people and dogs that Jean has been
> >through? How about some of her recent specials? "Blue" Ch. Rivergroves
> >Red White and Blue and "Chanel" Ch. Rivergroves Designer Label? They
> >were placed? Oh, I see. Once you start to pin Jean down on her
> >stories, you will see that they unfold before your very eyes. The truth
> >is, "Blue" and "Chanel" were both euthanized. What about Donna
> >Ankerway, Jackie Bandi, Cheryl Grimshaw, Carol Doyle, Sharon Greenspun,
> >and now the Coffmans. Wouldn't you LOVE to know the real truth about
> >their disappearances too?
> >More to come,
> >Sally (in case that was still not obvious to some of our slower members
> >from my email address)
> >p.s. Sorry in advance for any typos.
> >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe, send a message to esquire@pyrnet.org with
> > unsubscribe pyrnet-l
> >as the BODY of the message. The SUBJECT is ignored.
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:22:26 -0500
> From: pyrjam@zdial.com
> Subject: [PyrNet-L] dwarfism in adults
>
> From: Sally . <sally9140@hotmail.com>
>
> > Did she mention that Supreme has a 50% chance of being a dwarf?
>
> I heard people say a puppy could have a 50% chance of being a dwarf...but an
> adult dog?
> What, is he going to shrink? If so, will this happen gradually or will you
> wake up one morning
> only to find a corgi in your bed.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat,
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