Re: [PyrNet-L] chat: help ASAP

[SDOBSCHA@lnmta.bentley.edu]

"giving pyr hugs" is a specific behavior where pyrs will stand up and put
their front paws on your shoulders.  i'm very much against my pyr doing
that to total strangers or people just entering the house because not all
people are comfortable having a 100 lb dog staring at them in the face.  i
actually love that pyrs want to give hugs and at first i would let seamus
do this to me, but i started dissuading him after the aggression problems
surfaced and after he attempted it with people who came over to the house.

susan




"Danita Acquafredda" <genesis@atlantic.net> on 11/02/98 08:44:51 PM

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Regarding the previous post on this subject, I believe it was written
differently, creating misunderstanding....it read "he took some cheese of
the counter and when I caught him i mistakenly cornered him to punish him".
Unfortunately, the above verbage read to me more like you may have chased
him down and mistakenly cornered him to punish him...I thought he was
cornered and you raised a hand to punish him (slap) thus creating "fight or
flight" mental status.  However, you have corrected and explained the
situation as just walking into the area and verbalizing NO DOWN.

Thank you for explaining the situation as to eliminate the cornering and
punishing; as even my mild mannered pyrs would not appreciate being chased
down and cornered and punished.  That type of circumstance would cause an
extreme amount of fear for my dogs...

Other posts, regarding this problem refers to "lack of discipline" and the
use of "manhandling" and a "promise collar"; perhaps, my pyrs are just
extremely well mannered; as I do not understand the "discipline" of which
is
necessary to be given a pyr, guess all of mine suffer "lack of discipline"
other than voice tones.

I believe in another post, you stated to the effect that when you visited
the home of this pyr that the pyrs would hug up to stranger, no discipline.
Further that the dog your rescued did not show agressive behavior while at
his prior home.  Maybe I'm a little naive, but is huging up to a stranger a
problem that is due "lack of discipline".  I like my pyrs to be kind to
strangers and all of mine will hug up to a stranger in my presence.
Sometimes people are offended due the drool; but oh, well, this is their
home, drool and all.

Its difficult to understand the use of discipline as a curative measure for
an agressive dog that is both dominate and fearful. But then again, I'm not
a professional trainer, just a mommy to my Pyrs.

I'm certainly not critizing your attempt to correct this agressive problem
I
just don't see how discipline could possibly be a solution. But then again
I
did not know that this breed could be difficult either as you state.  I
thought this breed to be one of the most trusting, loyal and intelligent of
many breeds, that basically described mine.

Do you have other Pyrs that are difficult or is Seamus your only dog?

Wishing you continued success,

Danita
genesis@atlantic.net




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From: SDOBSCHA@lnmta.bentley.edu <SDOBSCHA@lnmta.bentley.edu>
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Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [PyrNet-L] chat: help ASAP


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>ok, let's take it down a notch.  no one was there but me and knows what
>happened but the "poor dog" lunged at me because it had taken food that
>wasn't intended for him, and then reacted aggressively.  i walked into my
>galley style kitchen which has only one entrance, found him with front
paws
>on counter and instinctively said, NO, and DOWN, while walking toward him
>to correct him.  that's how he got cornered and reacted the way he did.
>
>this thread is indicative of what ann rightly points out in her post.  if
>we are on this list and actively participate, it shows  we have a high
>degree of breed involvement and knowledge.  when i received advice such as
>this, it really demoralizes me because i am doing everything i can and
>listening to every word of constructive advice in order to deal with the
>situation.  instead, what i really love about the list were the 7 or 8
>people who could really relate to the complexity of the situation (having
>owned a difficult (vs. vicious) dog and the decision to euthanize is not
>obvious)  responding with "i feel your pain" kind of responses.  they made
>some really good suggestions and made me feel like with time things have
>already gotten better and will continue to do so.
>
>there's no way to judge a situation unless you're there -- the recent
>thread about the pyr on the bed protecting the owner from the daughter is
>another example -- and while we post to the list to get help, we do not
>post to be chastised for our own attempts to solve difficult problems.
>
>on the other hand, i don't think we should be totally a "love fest" as
i've
>referred to it in the past either.  these can be difficult dogs and people
>should be aware of this before they purchase and definitely before they
>adopt a rescue.  a healthy dialogue exists when both pros and cons are
>presented and dealt with given the assumption that high breed knowledge
and
>moreso involvement is tantamount to participation on this list.
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>my 4 cents!
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>susan
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>BCavins303@aol.com on 11/02/98 02:23:12 PM
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>Ann,
>The person who made the remark about an ounce of brains was me.  No, I did
>not
>plan it to make the person feel better.  I said it because I was angry.
It
>the person who cornered the dog (accidently) had kept an eye open, they
>would
>have seen that the dog was cornered.  One doesn't mistakenly not see that.
>Obviously the poor dog felt trapped.  I'll bet that would never had
>happened
>if the person had been dealing with a human child.
>So, if you want to take up the issue with me you are perfectly welcome to.
>Maybe something everyone should remember is THINK BEFORE YOU ACT.
>Dave
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