Re: [PyrNet-L] Albert & I visit a non-pyr rescue dog that's a former victim of abuse

["Jennifer Boisvenue" <boisvenue.jennifer@towerautomotive.com>]

>i have had my rescue pyr for over
>a year and have still not been able to fully overcome the problems brought
>on by his checkered past (puppy mill, pet store, bounced around to many
>homes, no discipline, etc.).  he is still not a dog to be trusted around
>other dogs and has even turned on his groomer once.  we have to keep him on
>a promise collar at all times outside the house because he goes crazy from
>time to time and lunges and bites us.

Frankly I'm surprised in this situation that the Rescue Organ. did not opt
to put him down....

I'm simply being realistic and not trying to judge the dog or anything, but
seeing that kind of aggressiveness...I would think the rescue would have
known the kind of trauma it would have on a family.  You are right, not all
families or people are equipped to deal with a troubled dog from an abusive
situation...but usually the rescue people can sense that kind of problem in
a dog early on.  I'm just kind of surprised.

Jennifer, Powder, Pep-cee
-----Original Message-----
From: SDOBSCHA@lnmta.bentley.edu <SDOBSCHA@lnmta.bentley.edu>
To: pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org <pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [PyrNet-L] Albert & I visit a non-pyr rescue dog that's a
former victim of abuse


>
>
>I have to weigh in on this because I am apparently one of the few rescue
>pyr owners who has had a pretty negative experience.  i read all the rescue
>stories with a degree of jealousy because i have had my rescue pyr for over
>a year and have still not been able to fully overcome the problems brought
>on by his checkered past (puppy mill, pet store, bounced around to many
>homes, no discipline, etc.).  he is still not a dog to be trusted around
>other dogs and has even turned on his groomer once.  we have to keep him on
>a promise collar at all times outside the house because he goes crazy from
>time to time and lunges and bites us.  we can't blame him though because of
>his past, he is just acting the way he taught himself to survive.  we have
>worked diligently for over a year now to alter some of his negative
>behavior and some of it has gone away (food stealing from the counter for
>example) but we have a hard time leaving him with other people when we go
>out of town because we don't expect others to manhandle him the way we have
>to when he goes crazy.
>
>i guess my point is that not every rescue of an abused dog will result in a
>well-adjusted dog.  i recently interviewed a woman who said she adopted an
>abused dog over 11 years ago and the dog still has residual behavioral
>problems.  if you don't have the time to specifically dedicate to this dog
>and the patience (and it takes ALOT!) to deal with the long term behavioral
>problems then i would think twice about getting this dog.  our whole
>lifestyle has changed to accomodate this dog, and in retrospect i don't
>think i would get another rescue who has been abused.
>
>my two cents,
>
>susan
>
>
>
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>MagEBroD@aol.com on 10/28/98 11:13:33 AM
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>Subject:  [PyrNet-L]  Albert & I visit a non-pyr rescue dog that's a former
>      victim of abuse
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>In a message dated 10/28/98 8:08:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, MagEBroD
>writes:
>
>   Albert & I went to see a mixed-breed (Chow-Golden Retriever cross)
>rescue
>dog Friday.  He needs a real good grooming and Advantage and he has a hot
>spot. We took him out of the kennel that he shares with a big huge lab
>cross
>and I sat down on the grass to be down at his level. He took to me better
>than
>he's ever taken to anyone when he first meets them I was told! Finally he'd
>let me hug him and he even kissed me! He doesn't like you to touch him
>around
>his neck and metal around his neck really freaks him out. He is 2.5 yrs.
>old
>now and still suffering from the abuse he suffered at age 4 mos.! His owner
>then was beaten badly to the point her nose was broken and she fled from
>the
>boyfriend beating her to seek medical help. He took the mama dog and all
>the
>pups and wrapped them in barbed wire and drove them in back of pickup truck
>and then threw them, wrapped in the barbed wire over the fence at her
>parents'
>home. For some reason this dog suffered the most trauma. Whether he was
>abused
>the most or hurt the most or just the one that could handle it the least, I
>don't know. That is the reason he doesn't feel safe around people at first.
>You have to really earn that trust. That's the reason he doesn't like
>things
>around his neck, especially metal things. If I get him I'd use a harness
>that
>doesn't go around his upper neck at all on him. He's got a real sweet
>temperament. Eventually I got Albert out of the van so they could meet. He
>liked Albert, but they didn't play wild like Heidi and Albert do. I took
>Albert and him on a long walk together. They got along and walked together
>nicely, though. Maybe he'd eventually play more with Albert. He plays more
>with his kennel-mate, another male dog. He has never been around kids or
>cats
>at all, though. For that reason I'd insist on taking my 12 yr. old son Mark
>to
>meet him and see how they get along. (I'd wanted to take him the first time
>and hubby as well, but the days my whole family could go the rescue lady
>wasn't free.)  They are supposed to take him to a vet and get his skin
>problem
>checked out and get Advantage for him. He's been without Advantage for 3
>months. He's pretty happy there at the kennel, but really doesn't get the
>level of TLC he should. They raise purebred dogs, run a kennel and board
>dogs,
>plus are helping take care of these 2 rescue dogs, so they are very busy. I
>have mixed feelings about him. Usually I KNOW. I'd have felt better if he
>was
>this tramatized sooner after the abuse happened. The fact that over 2 years
>later he's still traumatized worries me some. Will he ever get over it???
>Not
>sure how much has to do with abuse and how much has to do with no one
>really
>having enough time for him. Would a lot of TLC do the trick or not?????
>Right
>now he's not the dog I'd prefer to have and I don't know if he'll ever be
>that
>dog. Yet my heart really goes out to him and wants to help him. Yet know I
>can't solve all the world's problems. They would prefer he go with his
>kennel-
>mate as they have gotten close. There's no way I'll take both of them now
>though. Not while Albert's still a pup. Don't want to spread myself too
>thin.
>They are worried he'll suffer separation anxiety if separated from his
>kennel-
>mate. So I need to figure out if he's better off there where he gets little
>less than good care, but has a buddy he really likes and people he likes
>but
>doesn't get enough attention. The lady at the kennel said she wouldn't mind
>them being there forever. Yet the rescue group keeps advertising them both.
>So
>even if I don't take him, someone may get his kennel-mate. (In fact someone
>from Shelton is coming to look at him) Guess I don't really have a real
>clear
>good feeling that this is the right dog for us, yet. Still looking at the
>ads
>in papers for other dogs.
>    Seeing him and hearing his story of abuse and seeing how long he's
>suffered from it, makes you really furious that someone could do that to a
>whole litter of 4 mos. old pups and their mother. And of course, like many
>animal abusers, this guy also abused the humans in his life, too. I don't
>dare
>even start to say what I think should happen to the kind of worthless scum
>that could do such a thing.
>
> Janice Vocke
> MagEBroD@aol.com
> Shelton, WA.
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