Solution, Tainted Junker with a massive AP Rail Gun... or a Doomsayer with EMP... imagine the player's face when the doomsayer Shorts out his AI and the Mad as Hell, been in a fetter for waaaay to long Manitou takes over for the first time. His own posse may take him out for you in that case. --Dirk Deadlander@aol.com wrote: > <snip Munchkin>