RE: [DL] Deadlands - Flagship vs. D20

["Jeff Yates" <jyates@primaryfunction.com>]

I was gonna post about why I don't like d20, but I'll add that if you
like d20 then by all means play it.  Just as long as you buy stuff from
PEG so that they keep writing more stuff for me to buy! ;-)

The gripes I have about d20 are it's core features for some others.  I
don't think that a class based system is all that great.  I don't like
flat probability "curves" resulting from using one die all the time (the
d20).  I feel that point based character generation (even one like
Deadlands with the random card draw for character creation) is more,
umm, life-like.  That sounds weird, but I like being able to decide what
my character learns with no restrictions because the character belongs
to a certain class/caste/profession.  Multi-classing don't help much.
And I like the bell-curve of multiple dice for determining outcomes.
The single d20 with modifiers just rubs me the wrong way.  And it's
"abstracted combat system" is too freakin' detailed; or it's detailed
combat system is too freakin' abstract.  Armor absorbs impact, it
doesn't make you harder to hit -- that sort of stuff.  Classic gripes
about DnD.

'Course, my group plays 3rd DnD every Sunday anyway!  (For now...  I'm
working on the next phases of my Deadlands campaign... <evil grin>)

As a Marshal, I'll do my best to answer any Deadlands question that
makes it to the list, be it from a Classic, d20, or Gurps point of view.
I won't be much help in a rules lawyer sense unless is a Classic
Deadlands rule, but setting or story stuff I can toss in my two white
chips about.

And there has been a comment made that this list is for Deadlands and us
ol' timers have to shove over and make room for the new D20 groupies.
That's just not correct.  This list is a private organ that the
HighMuckityMucks of Pinnacle monitor and participate on.  The owner of
the list is fully in his rights to declare a rule-set requirement (GURPS
ONLY ON THE LIST, for example), or what have you.  I personally think
that making this list a Classic Rules Only list wouldn't be in anyone's
best interest, but it could happen.  Well, it's not impossible for such
a thing to not happen.  Eh, I was just trying to say that while we may
not like another's rules system, we can still be _civil_ about it.

Jeff Y.
Marshal for the Dynamite Gang


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-deadlands@gamerz.net [mailto:owner-deadlands@gamerz.net] On
Behalf Of Alex and Heidi Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:54 AM
To: deadlands@gamerz.net
Subject: Re: [DL] Deadlands - Flagship vs. D20


Well, I for one am happy to see posts about Deadlands D20.  Although I
don't personally own it, I hope it brings a lot more players to
Deadlands.  For those D20 players out there, how do they work magic for
AB characters?  Do hucksters still have to worry about backlash?  If so,
how does it work without the cards?

Thanks,
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin L Stoner" <stone1kl@cmich.edu>
To: <deadlands@gamerz.net>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [DL] Deadlands - Flagship vs. D20


>
> > Maybe the reason for it being
> > overlooked is because the D20 version came directly out of the PEG 
> > stables, whereas the GURPS one was handled by SJG?
> >
>
> Or maybe they should be glad we dont have discussions on this list 
> because it seems if you dont run DL classic then you arent running DL.

> I mean I post and read this list pretty faithfully and have even 
> conversed with several of you via one on one emails. This doesnt 
> change the fact that people are "steamin mad" about Deadlands even 
> associating with D20 OGL. I know every time I have posted, I have at 
> least 2 or three responses discouraging me from posting anything. I 
> saw the same thing happen when IBM's moved from DOS to Windows, and 
> the whole programming community had a fit claiming that Windows was 
> far inferior and would never be programmable or as manuevaerable. Now 
> Peginc decides to dual stat, not convert, and people on this list 
> think you are inferior if you play it. I have read 2 emails alone 
> today from a particualar member who outright said if you play d20 you 
> are inferior. I am just laying claim that I do not intend to stop 
> running it, nor posting about it. So move over neighbors cause D20 is 
> here and we are not leaving. And if you GURPS guys wanna join us on 
> this list, hell I dont even like GURPS but Ill stand beside ya. IMHO 
> this list is for all of us and noone is lesser for there system. 
> Dinosaur or newbie.
>
> Nuff Said,
> Marshall Kevin Stoner
>
>
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