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RE: [DL] Steamships! (long)

To: deadlands@gamerz.net
Subject: RE: [DL] Steamships! (long)
From: Frempath2@netscape.net
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:15:37 -0500
Reply-To: deadlands@gamerz.net
Sender: owner-deadlands@gamerz.net
This is rather long, really, I mean it.
Nebraska isn't condusive to things naval but,

Military
from hazegray.org
USS MAINE
Displacement: 12,846 tons normal; 13,700 tons full load
Dimensions: 394 x 72 x 24 feet/120 x 22 x 7.2 meters
Propulsion: VTE engines, 12 boilers (Maine: 24), 2 shafts, 16,000 ihp, 18 knots
Crew: 561 (779-813 wartime)
Armor: KC & Harvey: 5.5-11 inch belt, 2.75-4 inch deck,
8-12 inch barbettes, 11-12 inch turrets, 2-10 inch CT
Armament: 2 dual 12"/45cal, 16 6"/50cal, 6 3"/50cal,
8 3 pound, 6 1-pound, 2 18 inch torpedo tubes (submerged)
Concept/Program: A significant improvement upon previous classes; introduced several new features to US battleship designs.  Generally successful, although rapidly made obsolete by the dreadnoughts.
Design: Were considerably faster than previous designs, as a response to the perceived threat of Russian fast battleships.  Were the first US battleships to use high-velocity main guns, and the first with KC armor, which allowed equal protection with thinner armor.  As with the previous class, there was no 8" intermediate battery.  The 6" guns were arranged as in the previous class.  The ships were unfortunately rather wet, despite high freeboard.
Modernization: During 1909-1911 the ships underwent modernization
as part of fleet-wide improvements; cage foremasts and mainmasts were
fitted, and Maine was reboilered.  By 1919 all but 8 of the 6"
and all of the 3" had been removed, and 2 3 inch AA had been added.

Built by William Cramp & Sons, Philadelphia, PA.  Laid down 15 February 1899, launched 27 July  1901, commissioned 29 December 1902.
Operated in the Atlantic and in European waters.  Participated in the cruise of the Great White Fleet, 1907-1908, but dropped out of the cruise in 1908 due to mechanical problems; completed an independent world cruise after repairs at Mare Island Navy Yard.  Decommissioned for modernization at Portsmouth Navy Yard 31 August 1909; completed and recommissioned 15 June 1911.
During WWI served as a Naval Academy, armed guard, and engineering training ship.  Decommissioned 15 May 1920. Designation BB 10 assigned 17 July 1920.  Sold for scrapping 22 January 1922 under the Washington Treaty.
From hansmil.com
French
Suffren
Suffren
Built by Arsenal de Brest, Keel Laid May 1899
dimensions-413'4" x 70'2" x 27'6",12,750 tons,16,700hp,17.9 knots
armament-4x305mm(12")/40 Model 1893,10x162mm(6.4")/45 QF Model 1893
         8x100mm(3.9"),22x47mm(3-pdr)2x1-pdr,4x450mm(17.72") Torpedo Tube 

Spanish
Pelayo
Built by Forges et Chantiers de la Mediterranee, Keel Laid Feb. 1886
dimensions- 120.4m x 20.2m x 7.58m, 9,745 tons, 9,600hp,16.7 knots
armament-2x1 318mm(12.5")/35, 2x1 280mm(11")/35,1x163mm(6.4")/35           12x119mm(4.7")/35, 9x140mm(5.5"), 3x57mm Hotchkiss QF,13x37mm QF, 4 MG
7 Torpedo Tubes

Germany
Kaiser Karl Der Grosse
Built by Blohm+Voss, Keel Laid October 1899
dimensions-411' x 66.9' x 26.2', 11,000 tons, 13,00hp, 17.5 knots
armament-2x2 240mm(9.44")/L40 QF, 18x150mm(5.9")/L40, 12x88mm(3.46")/L30
12x37mm, 6 Torpedo Tubes

Russia
Admiral Ushakov
Built by Baltic Yard, St. Persburg, Keel Laid October 1897
dimensions-290' x 52'7" x 18'7", 4,650 tons, 4,250 hp, 16 knots
armament-2x2 254mm(10"), 4x1 119mm(4.7"), 2x64mm field guns
6x47mm Hotchkiss, 6x37mm Hotchkiss, 4 torpedo tubes

From warships1.com
United Kingdoms
Majestic
Built by Portsmouth Dockyard, Keel Laid 1893
dimensions-421' x 75' x 27.5', 14,900 tons, 12,000 hp, 17.5 knots
armament-4 x 12"/35, 12 x 6" QF , 16 x 12pdr (3") QF, 12 x 3pdr QF 
2 Light QF & 2 MG's 5 Torpedo tubes

PASSENGER STEAMSHIPS
From blueriband.com

Deutschland
Gross tonnage : 16,502 tons
Length : 208,5 m
Width : 20,4 m
Date of launch : Jan 10, 1900
Hull : steel
Speed : 22,5 knots, max. 23,5 knots
Number of funnels : 4
Number of screws : 2
Engines : 4 expansion steam engines, 37,800 hp
Capacity : 450 pasengers in 1st, 300 in 2nd and 3rd and 1000 steerage.
Operated by HAPAG Lloyd

Lucania
Launched February 1893
Gross tonnage : 12,952 tons
Length : 188,6 m
Width : 19,9 m
Speed : 21 knots, max. 23 knots
Hull : steel
Number of funnels : 2
Number of screws : 2
Engines : 2 triple expansion steam engines, giving 30,000 IHP.
Capacity : 550 passengers in 1st, 280 in 2nd class and 1,000 in steerage.
Oerated by Cunard

City of Paris
Gross tonnage : 10,499 tons
Length : 170.7 m
Width :  19.0 m
Speed : 20 knots, max. 21,9 knots
Date of launch : Oct 20, 1888
Hull : iron
Number of funnels : 3 (later 2)
Engines : 2 triple expansion engines accounting for 20,000 HP
Number of screws : 2
Capacity : 540 passengers in First, 200 in Second and 1,000 in Steerage.
Operated by Inman Line

From greatoceanliners.net
The Majestic - Specifications:
582 feet x 57.7 feet  
Tonnage:9,965 gross tons
Engines:Two triple expansion
engines powering two propellers.
Service speed:20 knots
Passengers:1,490 people

The Great Eastern - Specifications:
Launched 1858
689 feet x x 117.9 feet x 30.1 feet (9.2 m)
Tonnage:18,915 gross tons
Power sources:6,500 square yards of sail, one propeller and two paddle wheels.
Service speed:14 knots
  
Now another thing to think about is that around 1900 there was a great revolution in ship engineering, the HMS dreadnought was launched in 1906, which made all other battleships obsolete. Over the 15 years from 1895 to 1910 the Passenger ships got huge, increasing over 50% in length and more than doubling in displacement.  The Lusitania was launched in 1906 at 785 ft. and 31,550 tons.  The 883 ft, 45,000 ton Olympic was launched in 1911. Could Mad Science bring that around earlier?

Don't go with 400ft.  Make it 1000 ft long, 50,000 tones fired by ghost rock steam turbines.  Use all the quirky gadgets, and due to the amount of ghost rock needed to run it, make it horribly haunted.

g'day 
frempath


James Knevitt <jknevitt@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Hey,
>
>Quick question for all you maritime types:
>
>Can anyone tell me what the biggest ship in the latter
>third of the 19th Century was? Basically I just need
>the dimensions, and who built it, etc.
>
>I need to compare it to a ship the Collegium have
>commissioned in my campaign. I billed it as the
>largest and most tehnologically advanced steamship in
>the world, but have yet to specify it's size to my
>players. I was thinking around 400 feet, but I
>suddenly realised that's enourmous. Many oil-burning
>steamers of this size were around in the early 20th
>Century, but what about the late 19th?
>
>Any help?
>
>James
>
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