RE: [DL] Re: Bolt Guns

[Frempath2@netscape.net]

No, you are right.
I got ahead of myself with the Vetterli and responding to comments that there were no metalic cartridge bolt action rifles before the 1880s.  The Mauser, including the 1871 model was probably the best bolt action rifle of the time, though as a state secret, hard to get a hold of.  I think the French rifle was the Graz, which was used in variations through the Grat War.  Prior to these rifles, both the french and germans used the "needle guns" which used paper cartridges.

I guess one other item of note was that the Turks did use winchesters in their army to fight the russians in conjuction with long weapons.  The turks were under seige and used the long range weapons to kill the russians at range, and then as the russians approached, the turks switched to the high capacity winchesters, and destroyed the russians.  But again, the lever action mechanism is really too delicate to be a generally successful martial arm.

g'day
frempath

Michael Robert Blair <pellinoire@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Mauser Model 1871 was a single shot weapon but it did
>have a bolt action. It was later reworked into a
>magazine rifle with a tubular magazine.
>The 'Mauser' M/1888 was the first 'modern' German box
>magazine fed bolt action rifle. It is not really a
>Mauser design, it was designed by a committee and is
>famous as the only committee designed weapon that was
>any good! Some were supplied to the UVF before the
>Great War and ended up in Africa - still with the red
>hand and 'For God and Ulster' on the stocks.
>The 'classic' Mauser came in 1898.
>
>I can't remember the dates for the French rifles but
>there were in there early.
>
>There were some bolt action around as early as the
>'60s or even earlier but it needed the fixed cartridge
>to make them practical.
>
>
>Michael
>
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