Re: [DL] Moderator vs. non-moderator accounts.

["Jeff Yates" <jyates@primaryfunction.com>]

I think the separation works well.  I don't see any reason why you shouldn't
be able to post like the rest of us -- game comments, etc -- while still
being able to moderate effectively.  And the separate e-mail addresses, with
different .sig's, really does make it apparent if you are in enforcer mode
or participant mode.  Even having gotten the ruler across the knuckles
myself, I still think the system works.

Jeff Y.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan 'Deputy' Seyberth" <moderator@darious.com>
To: <deadlands@gamerz.net>
Cc: "afterburner" <aburner@rcn.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 5:20 PM
Subject: [DL] Moderator vs. non-moderator accounts.


> A few people already know the backstory, but I thought I would air out
> what, in my opinion, is the real issue here since it has had impact on the
> listserv several times already.
>
> Not long after this guy got on the list, he started an argument that
> rapidly escalated.  Taking my final reply offlist and sending it to all
> parties who will involved I responded back to his post on a point by point
> basis.  And since in my opinion, given his previous posts on this list and
> on other public forums, he was more interested in being in an argument
then
> in the actual argument itself I closed the email by telling him off in no
> uncertain terms.  Vulgarity was used.
>
> I believe that this incident has colored every subsequent post made by
this
> person on the listserv, and may explain why he remains on a list devoted
to
> a game that he openly admitted to not liking.
>
> This is, however, a good chance to ask about this topic.
>
> Has splitting the moderator and personal posts been effective?
> The original idea between keeping the two types of posts separate was to
> allow folks to disagree with my posts without having to worry about
> torque'ing off the moderator. It also gives me a trigger to take extra
time
> to think about anything I post as the moderator before I hit send.
>
> Has this worked, or would the majority of the lists prefer that I combine
> everything for simplicity?
>
> And - if anyone feels that I have failed to keep the two adequately
> separate, feel free to drop me a line anytime, of if that makes you
> uncomfortable, you can always contact Afterburner at
Afterburner@erols.com.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>  >>>>On a serious note - when the posts come from this address
>  >> (darious@darious.com) it doesn't have any more weight than anyone else
on
>  >> the list.<<
>  >>
>  >>    Either you're the moderator or you're not. Saying you're just
another
>  >> list member when using a certain e-mail account, when you're wearing
blue,
>  >> or when you're in the mood to shed the moderator role so that you can
>  >> indulge in a little fun doesn't work.
>  >>    Moreover, setting up a system in which you sometimes have authority
and
>  >> sometimes don't is unfair to the list members, who can't reliably know
when
>  >> you're acting as moderator or not. Yes, I know, you're just a normal
list
>  >> citizen when you post from a certain e-mail address. Couple of things
about
>  >> that, however: you cannot shed perceptions of your authority so
easily,
>  >> it's easy to miss noticing which e-mail address you're posting from,
>  >> posting from an alternate e-mail is no guarantee that the moderator
won't
>  >> get involved, and, finally, there's no guarantee that you won't change
your
>  >> mind about the authority inherent in the alternate e-mail.
>  >>
>  >>              Seanchai
>  >>
>  >> "Nature composes some of her loveliest poems for the microscope and
>  >> telescope." - Theodore Roszak
>  >>
>  >>
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>  >>
>  >>
>
> Allan 'Deputy' Seyberth
> moderator@darious.com
>
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> Special moderator account stuff:
> I post to the listserv under two accounts - my normal one and the
moderator
> one.  My normal postings are as darious@darious.com and are no different
> from anyone else's postings.  When I post or send something as
> moderator@darious.com (notably different because of this huge signature
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pretty
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