RE: [DL] Re: deadlands D20

[Allan Seyberth <darious@darious.com>]

2nd and final warning folks.

If the personal insulting nature of these posts do not cease I will start 
removing people from the list.  Take it to the OT list, take it to direct 
email, but take it off of here.



At 11:01 AM 6/14/2001 -0400, you wrote:
 >>>So because your group is a little slow picking up the system and because
 >a chain of bad luck took out an NPC, those of us who enjoy this game
 >shouldn't be able to give our opinions on other games?<<
 >
 >   You misunderstand: My group wasn't slow at understanding the rules
 >(reread what I wrote: "Statements like these make the think back to the
 >days when I was learning Deadlands and wondering what the hell was up
 >Traits and Aptitudes - I remember the funny looks the players gave me when
 >I explained how they worked."), they thought they were...quite illogical
 >and counterintuitive (especially unskilled checks).
 >   Moreover, the point isn't that you shouldn't be able to provide your
 >opinion of other games, but that only those without sin ought to be casting
 >stones. The Deadlands fans on the list has been mocking D20 for some of the
 >very faults its shares with Deadlands.
 >
 >>>Most of the people on this board have done the exact same damn thing,
 >neither you nor I
 >are "cosmopolitan" because we are looking for new games... we're average,
 >run of the mill. So cut the
 >attitude, you don't have the moral high ground.<<
 >
 >   Allow me to clue you in again: The attitude was manufactured for the
 >sole benefit of the the little twit who decided my group was less
 >intelligent than his because I didn't share his beliefs about Deadlands. I
 >did what he did: Took a statement, made a snap judgement, and ran with it.
 >And moral high ground? Since when is gaming a moral issue?
 >
 >>>The D20 system and D&D both have a lot of the flaws people accuse them
 >of. So what's wrong with saying that?<<
 >
 >   Nothing. Of course, most the folks in this discussion weren't discussing
 >the game's flaws, they were counting coup with petty insults and stupid
 >jokes. What was it...the "Hurlrotten Realms"? C'mon, don't make the thread
 >out to be what it wasn't.
 >
 >>>Get off your high horse and bring a little information to this discussion
 >instead of trying to be the
 >"political correctness" guru for kinder gentler gaming.<<
 >
 >   It has nothing to do with political correctness; it has everything to do
 >with tiring of smarmy moderators and their lackluster followers who
 >apparently have nothing more constructive to do with their list than post
 >hypocritical and rather third grade insults about the king of the hill.
 >
 >>>What is it you like about systems with a lower mortality?<<
 >
 >   Nothing. What I like about a system is being able to judge the
 >capabilities of the PCs versus the NPCs. When an NPCs with an armor of 3,
 >good stats, and special abilities out the wazoo dies because he hits a
 >death spiral, well, it makes me go "Hmmmmn..."
 >
 >>>What was actually confusing about Traits and Aptitudes?<<
 >
 >   Confusing? Nothing.
 >
 >>>I may not like D20 but I would rather be informed about it's good points
 >then told I can't hold an opinion about it's bad ones.<<
 >
 >   You can hold a bad opinion of D20. You can even mock it. If you're doing
 >so while extolling the virtues of Deadlands, well...
 >
 >              Seanchai
 >
 >
 >"Modesty is the conscience of the body." - Honore de Balzac
 >
 >
 >To unsubscribe, send a message to esquire@gamerz.net with
 >       unsubscribe deadlands
 >as the BODY of the message.  The SUBJECT is ignored.

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Allan Seyberth
darious@darious.com
Deadlands fan site - http://www.darious.com/

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