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[DL] RE: Doomtown history bits
Hey there, www.doomtown.com and www.ghostrock.fsnet.co.uk/ have a fair
amount of both storyline fiction and the Big Bad List o' Dead Folks and
Smashed Buildings for the end of the Knicknevin Storyline. While it may not
be the whole story your looking for, together they paint a whole lot of the
goings on. If there is anything else that you want to see clarified, drop me
a line and I'll dredge the ol' memory for you. Mike
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Re: [DL] Re: Ghost Busters (mild spo Xotzil@aol.com
Re: [DL] curiosity (Doomtown based q Xotzil@aol.com
Re: [DL] Brawlin mgkelly@axom.com
Re: [[DL] Harrowed Powers] mgkelly@axom.com
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Date: Thu Jun 22 23:06:37 2000
From: Xotzil@aol.com
Subject: Re: [DL] Re: Ghost Busters (mild spoilers)
<snip apology>
>>I just now read it. forgive my silence.
Heh. No problem...I certainly don't expect everyone to always pay attention
to my typically long-winded posts. :)
>>I was going to have her be a long term PC contact, considering both my
>>rangers and their ranger spy are female (this is my 4 women 1 man group,
as
>>opposed to me 3 men 2 women group or my HoE 4 men 1 woman group
Well, this adventure is a good way to introduce the party to her.
Also, we don't KNOW what happened yet (and the set's just come out, so the
chances of us finding out anytime soon are remote at best), so don't write
her off just yet. All we know with any certainty was that she got "Recall
Orders" and that Brigidier General Patterson is to be her replacement at the
Gomorra posting. She supposedly got on a train headed east, but it crashed.
They don't know if she was on it, wasn't on it, is dead or is just missing.
Personally, I have a feeling she'll be back.
Introduce the party to her. Get them to trust her...then take her away from
them. Off-camera (meaning, as far as the "official" storyline is concerned),
they may well be the reason she makes it back to Gomorra in the future. :)
>>This should just further that sort of motif. Plus both had
>>the same big faraway baddy, and a Noble Ranger like Katie should be enough
>>to help one of the rangers who is wondering if she is doing the right
thing
>>(the blessed, not the Hexslinger)
Absolutely, and her getting friendly with them would be a cool experience
anyway.
My thinking/suggestion was that they go on this mission for her (after her
winning their trust through her own good merits), and upon their return
(presumably to report back to her about the completion of their
mission...however it ends), she's already left to go back east, and [like
the current situation in the DT card game] nobody knows what happened. Do
they trust Patterson, as the current head of Ranger operations in Gomorra?
If they do, what is his reaction to what Katie has sent them off to do? Do
they try to find Katie after her disappearance?
I just think there are quite a few cool plot threads that could spin off
from this...particularly if your posse has handled their Southern ties as
you said they did (and it sounds like it would have been a cool encounter to
watch). I think what she did in the Doomtown storyline was great...a real
example of putting duty to do what's RIGHT above any other, even if you
might end up paying for it later.
>>I think it is a true shame they are dumping her. did she get sidelined or
>>did they make a big event of it.
The short story in the newest rulebook was all about her having serious
doubts about what the Rangers are doing in Gomorra, and thinking that her
"work was done there." She meets her replacement, and doesn't really have a
good feeling about him (and if you buy the starter deck, take a good look at
her replacement and see if you don't agree with her...).
There is one event card in the new set called "Recall Orders" which shows
her walking away towards a train station, one of her former subordinates
giving the viewer a pained and somewhat angry look (for my money, one of the
best pictures in the set). The flavor text reads something like "Dexter
watched her walk away. No promises, no goodbyes. Just as they'd agreed."
Good stuff.
The way they've scripted her departure and disappearance, I'd say she's
bound to be back. Where she's been or what she's been up to however...that
I'll not even speculate on. ;)
--Jacques
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Date: Thu Jun 22 23:14:24 2000
From: Xotzil@aol.com
Subject: Re: [DL] curiosity (Doomtown based question)
>>what are the deals with Ezzie the Harrowed Harlot, and Tzipporah, Malrog,
>>and Enoch Whateley? I have their cards, but none of the info I read
really
>>fleshes them out any. any add'l info on these characters?
Malrog and Enoch just seemed like kind of generic monstery types to me.
We'll probably get details on "people" remarkably like them in the Black
Circle.
Tzipporah...ah Tzipporah. When I saw the promo flyer for Reaping of Souls, I
was SO impressed. Amazingly wonderful piece. I'm hoping to pick up a print
at Gencon if rk post has any there.
The newest set has revealed a bit more of her past. Somewhere along the
line, she had some kind of connection to "Mr. Bones," a grifter and
cardsharp, who may possess gypsy blood [check out the item "Gris-Gris" and
the spell "Bad Blood" for the text]. Presumably she'll play a bigger role as
the story continues, seeing as how most of the human Whateley's died in the
big battle.
Ezzie, we still know very little about. Patrick [Kapera] seems like he's on
the ball, though, so I'm betting he'll add a little bit about her here and
there.
--Jacques
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:26:38 -0500
From: mgkelly@axom.com
Subject: Re: [DL] Brawlin
> I've always feared that one of my players will get the idea for the
> Two-Fisted Agency operative.
>
Already made on personally. In my game, the Gunslinger finally got hold
of a couple Gatling Pistols.
We all remind him to roll Reliability ;]
Mike
--
"You know you've found the woman of your dreams when she says you can
'tap her mana'."
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:29:53 -0500
From: mgkelly@axom.com
Subject: Re: [[DL] Harrowed Powers]
> Another question, just looked through the Book O The Dead and could see
> nothing on how 'In Game' a Harrowed would learn new powers.
>
Just suddenly develop them when you think the time is right. Like when
the Harrowed is about to be mangled.
Mike
--
"You know you've found the woman of your dreams when she says you can
'tap her mana'."
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Date: Thu Jun 22 23:20:05 2000
From: Xotzil@aol.com
Subject: Re: [DL] Tattoo Artwork for Stone
>>I was wondering if we had any artists wanderin round these here
parts...cuz
>>ya see I'm looking for some original artwork of Stone to use as my next
>>tattoo. if you all do please email it to me at xxharlequinxx@hotmail.com
>> Thank you in advance
Hrm. My suggestion to you is to take a few samples of PEG's artwork into
your artist and ask them to have a hand at doing one for you. Take the DLPG,
the representation of the Rangewars Stone disc and a copy of the card "The
Drifter" from Doomtown (or the cover to Boomtowns, even) as samples.
I took the tiniest of tiny coins that had the Eye of Horus motif I wanted
into mine and she did a fantabulous job not only drawing it, but colouring
it herself.
Bestest thirtieth birthday present I ever got. :)
--Jacques
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:32:21 -0500
From: mgkelly@axom.com
Subject: Re: [DL] curiosity (Doomtown based question)
> Unfortunately, not at the moment. Tzipporah will definitely appear.
Thank you John ;]
Buy you a beer at Origins.
Mike the Strangely Fascinated with Tzipporah Whateley
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"You know you've found the woman of your dreams when she says you can
'tap her mana'."
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:38:37 -0500
From: mgkelly@axom.com
Subject: Re: [DL] Tattoo Artwork for Stone
> the representation of the Rangewars Stone disc
Speaking of, when is this going to be released?
Mike
--
"You know you've found the woman of your dreams when she says you can
'tap her mana'."
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:15:27 -0400
From: baron11@netmcr.com
Subject: Re: [DL] Re: Ghost Busters (spoilers)
>
> >>I was going to have her be a long term PC contact, considering both my
> >>rangers and their ranger spy are female (this is my 4 women 1 man
> group, as
> >>opposed to me 3 men 2 women group or my HoE 4 men 1 woman group
>
>Well, this adventure is a good way to introduce the party to her.
>
>Also, we don't KNOW what happened yet (and the set's just come out, so the
>chances of us finding out anytime soon are remote at best), so don't write
>her off just yet. All we know with any certainty was that she got "Recall
>Orders" and that Brigidier General Patterson is to be her replacement at
>the Gomorra posting. She supposedly got on a train headed east, but it
>crashed. They don't know if she was on it, wasn't on it, is dead or is
>just missing. Personally, I have a feeling she'll be back.
Personally, it sounds like our antagonist's doing. Just my Knee-Jerk. Get
rid of Katie, Get rid of the Ghost.
I just can't see Gen. King just offing her, and it seems like a bit
unnecessarily attention getting for the Whatleys.
Do you know what rail line she was on?
>Introduce the party to her. Get them to trust her...then take her away
>from them. Off-camera (meaning, as far as the "official" storyline is
>concerned), they may well be the reason she makes it back to Gomorra in
>the future. :)
May do that. would certainly provide a shock.
I ran an escape from Innsmouth-esque story with them raiding the City o'
Ghouls after they went through CoG. The PCs spearheaded it. I was going
to have her select them because they seem willing to do the right thing
and,. like her, to have seen quite a bit of difficulty.
Thus, she would be a sympathetic superior (something they have not had) who
would say "Your doing a good Job. I've been through this too"
Just taking her away when they return would be sadistic. I may do that.
> >>This should just further that sort of motif. Plus both had
> >>the same big faraway baddy, and a Noble Ranger like Katie should be
enough
> >>to help one of the rangers who is wondering if she is doing the right
> thing
> >>(the blessed, not the Hexslinger)
>
>Absolutely, and her getting friendly with them would be a cool experience
>anyway.
>
>My thinking/suggestion was that they go on this mission for her (after her
>winning their trust through her own good merits), and upon their return
>(presumably to report back to her about the completion of their
>mission...however it ends), she's already left to go back east, and [like
>the current situation in the DT card game] nobody knows what happened. Do
>they trust Patterson, as the current head of Ranger operations in Gomorra?
>If they do, what is his reaction to what Katie has sent them off to do? Do
>they try to find Katie after her disappearance?
My fear is running afoul the metaplot. Generally I avoid metaplot
charactors and events. I ran CoD as it was light on those....also ran The
Mission (for my other posse) and On Harrowed ground.
>I just think there are quite a few cool plot threads that could spin off
>from this...particularly if your posse has handled their Southern ties as
>you said they did (and it sounds like it would have been a cool encounter
>to watch). I think what she did in the Doomtown storyline was great...a
>real example of putting duty to do what's RIGHT above any other, even if
>you might end up paying for it later.
agreed.
> >>I think it is a true shame they are dumping her. did she get sidelined
or
> >>did they make a big event of it.
>
>The short story in the newest rulebook was all about her having serious
>doubts about what the Rangers are doing in Gomorra, and thinking that her
>"work was done there." She meets her replacement, and doesn't really have
>a good feeling about him (and if you buy the starter deck, take a good
>look at her replacement and see if you don't agree with her...).
I may get the starter deck just for him.
>There is one event card in the new set called "Recall Orders" which shows
>her walking away towards a train station, one of her former subordinates
>giving the viewer a pained and somewhat angry look (for my money, one of
>the best pictures in the set). The flavor text reads something like
>"Dexter watched her walk away. No promises, no goodbyes. Just as they'd
>agreed." Good stuff.
cool.
>The way they've scripted her departure and disappearance, I'd say she's
>bound to be back. Where she's been or what she's been up to however...that
>I'll not even speculate on. ;)
>
>--Jacques
This is why I avoid metaplot stuff.
TBS
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Date: Thu Jun 22 23:27:12 2000
From: Xotzil@aol.com
Subject: [DL] Small Press Minis Game
Finally got around to taking a look at me thirtieth birthday prezzies from
one of me mates, and found a cool little game that might interest listers.
It's called "Wanted: Dead or Alive," and it's put out by a company called
Over the Wire Games and Miniatures.
Included are ten miniatures that look really nifty and a complete rules
system (all of fourteen pages), as well as a small deck of playing cards. It
isn't as all inclusive as GRW or High Noon, but it has a few cool little
twists to it.
They have also released an expansion set called "For A Few Cents More,"
which has ten more miniatures and expanded rules for advancing the
"characters" you create.
It's a Scottish company, so the prices listed are 9.95 BPS (each), plus
shipping costs. They also have a website that gives you pictures of the
minis in one of the boxes. I haven't stood them next to DL figs yet to
compare scale, but they look slightly smaller.
The website address is http://www.crosswinds.net/~overthewire/index.html
--Jacques
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:21:23 -0400
From: baron11@netmcr.com
Subject: Re: [DL] curiosity (Doomtown based question)
At , you wrote:
> >>what are the deals with Ezzie the Harrowed Harlot, and Tzipporah,
Malrog,
> >>and Enoch Whateley? I have their cards, but none of the info I read
> really
> >>fleshes them out any. any add'l info on these characters?
>
>Malrog and Enoch just seemed like kind of generic monstery types to me.
>We'll probably get details on "people" remarkably like them in the Black
>Circle.
ah.
>Tzipporah...ah Tzipporah. When I saw the promo flyer for Reaping of Souls,
>I was SO impressed. Amazingly wonderful piece. I'm hoping to pick up a
>print at Gencon if rk post has any there.
>
>The newest set has revealed a bit more of her past. Somewhere along the
>line, she had some kind of connection to "Mr. Bones," a grifter and
>cardsharp, who may possess gypsy blood [check out the item "Gris-Gris" and
>the spell "Bad Blood" for the text]. Presumably she'll play a bigger role
>as the story continues, seeing as how most of the human Whateley's died in
>the big battle.
well, Dolores (another fave) and Nicodemus survived, they are two of the
important ones after all...
>Ezzie, we still know very little about. Patrick [Kapera] seems like he's
>on the ball, though, so I'm betting he'll add a little bit about her here
>and there.
ah. ok.
>--Jacques
TBS
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:35:21 -0600
From: darious@darious.com
Subject: Re: [DL] Tattoo Artwork for Stone
>Hrm. My suggestion to you is to take a few samples of PEG's artwork into
>your artist and ask them to have a hand at doing one for you. Take the
DLPG,
>the representation of the Rangewars Stone disc and a copy of the card "The
>Drifter" from Doomtown (or the cover to Boomtowns, even) as samples.
You know - I didn't like the Rangewars Disk. It looked too. . . cartoony.
-------------------
Allan Seyberth
darious@darious.com
Deadlands fan site - http://www.darious.com/deadlands/index.html
Why did the chicken cross the road?
B'Elanna:
I'm sure it felt suffocated by all the [BEEP] regulations of [BEEP]
Starfleet and just couldn't stand it any longer!
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:41:20 -0400
From: darklord@dark-sky.net
Subject: Re: [DL] curiosity (Doomtown based question)
Hey, is there someplace that keeps track of whats officially happening in
Doomtown storyline wise? I'm interested in reading what's happened there so
far.
--D
John Goff wrote:
> > what are the deals with Ezzie the Harrowed Harlot, and Tzipporah,
Malrog,
> > and Enoch Whateley? I have their cards, but none of the info I read
> really
> > fleshes them out any. any add'l info on these characters?
> >
>
> Unfortunately, not at the moment. Tzipporah will definitely appear. Ezzie
is
> one of those teritiary characters that's cool, but not tied to any faction
> or story, so plugging her into a book's tough. I've got some plans,
> though...
>
> BTW, Enoch and Malrog both die in the final battle at the end of
> Revelations. The ladies survived.
>
> John
>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:38:14 -0400
From: baron11@netmcr.com
Subject: Re: [DL] curiosity (Doomtown based question)
At 11:41 PM 6/22/00, you wrote:
>Hey, is there someplace that keeps track of whats officially happening in
>Doomtown storyline wise? I'm interested in reading what's happened there
so
>far.
>
>--D
Such Info is irritatingly hard to get.
we have some info in DL books, such as Doomtown or Bust and the Dispatch of
South o' the Boarder, tho those are hopelessly outdated (but useful if your
starting your game in 1876, something I did with both current games and
would do with a new game) Ghostbusters and Agency: Men In Black Dusters
have some updates but not really a whole lot.
Outside DL, we have a little. Unfortunately, it is scattered on Cards and
rulebooks.
I would definitely like it if someone were to try to combine them for a
chapter by chapter sort of thing, to get what is going on. I read the "who
died" list and card lists for my info. It was, again, vague. there was a
good narrative on the end for awhile but it is off the net.
Overall, it is hard to get everything combined and coherent. They really
tried with DToB and had to make it extra big...and outdated before it hit
the shelves, much less SoB which stated characters long dead.
Maybe a webpage.
TBS
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