Re: [BNW] white House Snuffer Fields

["Ewan" <e.chilton@bcftcs.ac.uk>]

> Exactly!  So what is the SPECIFIC problem?!?  You want possible solutions
> but don't put up a specific problem.  I've asked this repeatedly and have
> yet to get an answer.

hang on didnt this whole thing start when I posted a big list of specific
problems?

1: how many deltas are there in this universe? etcetc


> No one can present a possible solution until you detail what the specific
> problem is.  Since yours and others criticisms of the game have been
> non-specific and seem to be general bashing of BNW because of the
> (relatively standard) approach it has taken, all I can do is note that,
> indeed, yes, "X, Y, and Z did this (standard approach) so it must be
okay."

no you have missed our point entirely, you seem to have been consumed by the
meta-plot monster and now say that it is _impossible_ to write a detailed
background to a roleplaying game which also has a meta plot. This is
blatently not true.


> >I say let you gadgeeter make a one use anti nulifer field handgrenade
type
> >device that lasts for a couple of miniutes, enough to break in or escape
> >from somthing but not enough to make them permanatly immune to the
effects
> >of nulifiers
> >
>
> Fair enough, although you get into a kinda sticky and not-yet-defined area
> of the fact that hand grenades and one-shot devices don't seem tobe in
sync
> with the current Gadgeteer stuff you cited above.  And again, the
Gadgeteer
> rules to date are rather vague.  Again, this is typical of RPG
meta-plotting
> and we should have a more thorough explanation later.  If we don't...well,
> then that's a problem for then.

ok that was my specific solution to the origonal posters specific problem of
what to do about gadgeeter nulifier field thingis. and your saying that it
is typical metaplotness that gadgeteers rules are vague??? no! thats
rubbish, we could quite easly have super detailed rules on how to be a
gadgeteer and exactly what devices you can build without revealing any plot.
Presumably there will be a gadgeteer book out eventualy and I can see why
you might put gadegeteers in the main book even if you havent made up and
specific rules for them yet so that peopl can play iron-man/batman type
charcters.


> >Obvioulsy the main problem with these defvices is if yuou have a snuffer
in
> >your party.<snip>


> Well, in this fact I would suggest that BNW is a bad buy for you...because
> BNW is not a game that emphasizes powers, and anti-powers, and
> anti-anti-powers, and anti-anti-anti-powers, and...well, you get the idea.
> :)  That seems to be an issue for your campaign (I guess, although you
> haven't really gone into specifics...)

I assume you are reffering to the origional posters campaign, but again I
think you are wrong here. he may well have a beutifully crafted background
to each of his PCs hes just worried because jone of them wants to build a
snuffer device and he dosnt know quite how to handel this possible dangerous
(from a background nconsistency point of view) device

> And again, you don't seem to be talking about _specific problems_.  You
say
> above, "IF you have a snuffer in your party..."  If you do, okay, it's a
> specific problem - tell us what it is and someone here will try to help.
If
> we're just talking hypotheticals and may-bes and coulda-wouldas here, it
> seems like a waste of band-width to me...your mileage may vary.  Nobody
can
> address every possible situation that will come out of your hypotheticals
or
> even knows exactly what you have in mind.  Again, specific problem on your
> part = specific answer from someone else.

? youve lost me here the if you have a snuffer in your party, is a specific
problem, if this guy gose ahead and used my snuffing hand grenade idea, it
one thing if the PCs go around useing these things occasionaly against DP
units or to break ninto prisons, but you have to consider the possiblity
that a snuffer in the party could be made redundant by such devices or that
DP would use them to overwhelm the PCs in battle. this is part of my
specific answer to the posters specific question

Ewan